Why do the scriptures use such language (in literally scores of places) ... when the more direct truth (according to Calvinists) ... is that "whosoever the Lord predetermines shall be saved."
You should go with my recollection, experience, and biblical texts. But more importantly, and seriously, the recollection and experience (i.e. Tradition) of the Church along with Biblical texts. Besides, you're the one who said I conjured up a "born again dead person". I just denied any such conjuring.Are we to go with your recollection and experience or biblical texts?
Can you allow for the possibility that both are true?
That we are dead in sin and that we need God to make us alive. So it's obviously the opposite of saved.What do you believe the Bible means when it says dead in sin?
Perhaps ..., but the overwhelming sense that that the scriptures gives that the response of men to God's call determine their destinies, ... while the Calvinist truth that men's responses matter not at all ... makes it all seem like a sham.
None of the other language is necessary, or even helpful, ... if God has predetermined it all beforehand.
So an enliven person is one who is saved? I'm asking because you've not been really clear in your posts, and I don't want to make assumptions.An enlivened person is one who's made alive, reborn, etc. Once enlivened there is no difference. Of course. What's the point?
Have you obeyed the law of God without fail?
Actually, men's responses do matter. Those who believe will be saved. Some say that all get some form of prevenient grace, though. Which is what the thread is about.Perhaps ..., but the overwhelming sense that that the scriptures gives that the response of men to God's call determine their destinies, ... while the Calvinist truth that men's responses matter not at all ... makes it all seem like a sham.
None of the other language is necessary, or even helpful, ... if God has predetermined it all beforehand.
Whether I've obeyed the law of God without fail (which I've already spoken to) ... has nothing to do with the statements to which you are now responding ...
I have a reason for asking.
I've already answered the question ... you already know the answer.
Have I fallen short of God's expectations ... absolutely ...
Has God demanded your perfect obedience?
An interesting question, honestly.
For God knows that I cannot meet a demand for perfect obedience.
So He sent His Son to meet that demand for me.
That doesn't answer the question. You are A Thinker, so don't let me down.
Actually, it does ...
I was born into a world wherein God had already sent His own Son to pay the debt of my imperfection.
Based upon this gift of grace, God has adopted me into His family, despite my imperfection (i.e. missing the mark).
It certainly doesn't appear like God is requiring perfection from me.
Was Jesus death superfluous?
Jesus' death provided atonement with God for us.
So, no, His death was not superfluous.
Atonement for our sin ...
Sin??? What is sin?
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