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Evergreen48

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I don't believe it was a literal thousand years either. The following is my personal opinion on the matter. (For what its worth.:) )

Just as the forty years that the Israelites wandered in the wilderness 'perfected' them, by making them entirely dependant on God for their physical life's sustenance, thereby humbling them, teaching them to rely on God and making them ready and glad to recieve the promised land, or the land of rest, so did the approximate 40 years of teaching and preaching; feeding of His lambs do for those, in a spiritual way, who became Christians during that time span.


Ephesians 4: (10.) 'He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
(11.) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
(12.) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
(13.) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:'

Ephesians 5: (26.) 'That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
(27.) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.'

And a few scriptures to think about in relation to this:


Matthew 19:28 ' I solemnly tell you," replied Jesus, "that in the New Creation, when the Son of Man has taken His seat on His glorious throne, all of you who have followed me shall also sit on twelve thrones and judge the twelve tribes of Israel.'

Luke 22: (29) and I covenant to give you, as my Father has covenanted to give me, a Kingdom - (30) so that you shall eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones as judges over the twelve tribes of Israel.

Revelation 20: (1) 'Then I saw an angel coming down from Heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit, and upon his arm he carried a great chain.
(2) He laid hold of the Dragon - the ancient serpent - who is the Devil and the Adversary, and bound him for a thousand years, and hurled him into the bottomless pit.
(3) He closed the entrance and put a seal upon him in order that he might be unable to lead the nations astray any more until the thousand years were at an end. Afterwards he is to be set at liberty for a short time.
(4) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those who have been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor his image, and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they did live and reign with Christ the thousand years;'
(5) *but the rest of the dead did not live again till the thousand years may be finished*; this is the first resurrection..


*A foot note in the Emphatic Greek Diaglot that I have says that the words ' But the rest ot the dead did not live till the thousand years may be finished' is not found in the Vat. MS. or the Syriac. And in my opinion the whole of it makes more sense without these words.

Also another note on this particular passage suggests that 'the first resurrection probably means first in dignity or importance. And I tend to agree with this for then Matthew 19:29-30 would fall into place quite nicely:


29. ' And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
30. But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.'
 
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Personally I don't believe the figurative 1000 years began until 70 ad. If it began around 30ad, then you need a first resurrection occurring then according to Rev 20:5-11 (I think that's the right reference).

The first resurrection happens at the beginning of the 1000 years and another one happens after the 1000 years are finished (look it up). Jesus was the firstfruits and then those who belong to him would be raised at his coming (that's scripture and that's 70 ad).

If you place a resurrection (either spiritual or physical) around 30 ad then none of the writers of the NT (which was written during this time) knew about it. They never mention that any type of resurrection has already occurred. That's a big problem.

The first (and spiritual) resurrection occurred at (or around) 70 ad. Do a search and you will see that Jesus' resurrection was the firstfruits and then the resurrection of those who belong to him would occurr at his coming.

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Personally I don't believe the figurative 1000 years began until 70 ad. If it began around 30ad, then you need a first resurrection occurring then according to Rev 20:5-11 (I think that's the right reference).

The first resurrection happens at the beginning of the 1000 years and another one happens after the 1000 years are finished (look it up). Jesus was the firstfruits and then those who belong to him would be raised at his coming (that's scripture and that's 70 ad).

If you place a resurrection (either spiritual or physical) around 30 ad then none of the writers of the NT (which was written during this time) knew about it. They never mention that any type of resurrection has already occurred. That's a big problem.
 
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Personally I don't believe the figurative 1000 years began until 70 ad. If it began around 30ad, then you need a first resurrection occurring then according to Rev 20:5-11 (I think that's the right reference).

The first resurrection happens at the beginning of the 1000 years and another one happens after the 1000 years are finished (look it up). Jesus was the firstfruits and then those who belong to him would be raised at his coming (that's scripture and that's 70 ad).

If you place a resurrection (either spiritual or physical) around 30 ad then none of the writers of the NT (which was written during this time) knew about it. They never mention that any type of resurrection has already occurred. That's a big problem.

The first (and spiritual) resurrection occurred at (or around) 70 ad. Do a search and you will see that Jesus' resurrection was the firstfruits and then the resurrection of those who belong to him would occurr at his coming.

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I believe that Christ's 'official' reign began when He ascended unto the 'right hand of the Father'. And that those who reigned with Him for a thousand years began their reign with with Him on the day of the Pentecost.

From that day forward these men went about preaching and teaching; enlarging His kingdom, as the good news of His kingdom spread throughout all the known world. ( Matthew 24:14 and this good news of the reign shall be proclaimed in all the world, for a testimony to all the nations; and then shall the end arrive.)

However, there were some who were quickened even before His death, burial, resurrection and ascension.

John 5: 19:21. For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22. For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23. That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
24. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into judgement; but is passed from death unto life.
25. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the [spiritually] dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. (John 11:25 Jesus said to her, 'I am the rising again, and the life; he who is believing in me, even if he may die, shall live ; (Revelation 20:6 Happy and holy [is] he who is having part in the first rising again; over these the second death hath not authority, ( John 11:26.And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?) but they shall be priests of God and of the Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
26. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
27. And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
28. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29. and they shall come forth; those who did the good things to a rising again of life, and those who practised the evil things to a rising again of judgment. (Revelation 20:12 and I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and scrolls were opened, and another scroll was opened, which is that of the life, and the dead were judged out of the things written in the scrolls - according to their works; )
 
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7 years....from AD 66 to AD 73...with the destruction of the temple coming at the 3 !/2 year mark. It took another 3 years for Masada to fall....and that was the end. The Jews still call it the "Seven years of tribulation";)

I also believe in universal salvation.

I don't know too much yet about the preterist view...but isn't there various different takes even in this view? I've heard of "partial" and "full" preterists...but I don't know the differences.

I also believe in Universal Salvation...and I think the preterist view probably is most compatible with this veiw...I need to learn more about the view.
 
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Anything and everything you want to know about Preterism can be found at three websites.

Preterist Archive: http://preteristarchive.com/

Planet Preterist: http://planetpreterist.com/

Preterist Cosmos: http://preteristcosmos.com/

There are others but these are the best. Here's a link to FAQ's about preterism that will get you on your way:

http://preteristcosmos.com/questionsandanswers.html

There is debate over preterism as there is over every other biblical doctrine. In a nutshell a partial preterist is someone who believes that Jesus did return in judgement against apostate Israel in AD 70, it was a spiritual return, but there is yet another physical return at some point in the future.

A full preterist believes that Jesus returned as the Life Giving Spirit in AD 70, inhabited His kingdom, issued judgement at that time and has been here ever since. There is no physical third coming in the future. The bible never speaks of a third coming.

There is, of course, nuances of debate among even partials and fulls...but that's the jist of it.

All preterists believe that the Olivet Discourse was fulfilled in the events surrounding AD70. Most preterists believe Revelation describes those events and has also been fulfilled.

Look at that link for the FAQ's and it will expound on these themes.

Good luck
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I also believe in Universal Salvation...and I think the preterist view probably is most compatible with this veiw...I need to learn more about the view.

Thats is debatable in Preterist circles and a minority view within.

I know the transmillinist are and another group called infininite grace. All of which are universal preterist

As for me I'm not, just a modern day full Preterist which the majority are.

Partial preterist are really not Preterist because they are still futurist to some degree.
 
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