Preterism

[visionary]

Revelation chapters 1-11 describes the rejection of the Jews and the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans.
Revelation chapters 12 - 19 were the overthrow of Roman paganism (the great harlot) and the conversion of the empire to the church.
Revelation 20 describe the final persecutions by Antichrist, who is identified as Cæsar Nero (54-68 A.D.), and judgment.
Revelation 21 -22 describe the triumph of the New Jerusalem, the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[Henaynei]

Vis, have you a question or comment ?

 

[visionary]

Is there anyone in this section of the forum that believes this?

 

[Henaynei]

Is there anyone in this section of the forum that believes this?

I'm sorry - believes what? your description of the meanings or something else??

If you are asking if I believe that the only meaning of Revelations is related to past events then my response is a resounding NO

past events, perhaps - future events, certainly

 

[visionary]

Never studied Preterism before, and was wondering if it is predominately a RCC theology since it says that they are the New Jerusalem.

 

[fremen]

How do they get from being a religion to becoming a city?

Never studied Preterism before, and was wondering if it is predominately a RCC theology since it says that they are the New Jerusalem.

 

[visionary]

How do they get from being a religion to becoming a city?

Revelation 21 -22 describe the triumph of the New Jerusalem, the Roman Catholic Church

 

[fremen]

Revelation 21 -22 describe the triumph of the New Jerusalem, the Roman Catholic Church

Still makes no sense to me... but thanks anyway...

 

[visionary]

did n't make sense to me either... but that was part of the definition of preterism

 

[Henaynei]

did n't make sense to me either... but that was part of the definition of preterism

just another form of replacement theology

 

[ContraMundum]

Actually, most Pretorists are not Catholics, but Protestants.

Pretorism is more a Protestant thing, as the RCC has no official line on escathology other than the basics. People are free to believe as they wish on the details. Most RCs have a mixed Pretorist/Symbolist/Futurist escathology in regards Revelation.

Also, not many Pretorists would think that the RCC is the New Jerusalem, but have a dozen other explanations about it.

 

[visionary]

The "Preterist" interpretation of Bible prophecy has been mentioned several times in publications such as Christianity Today, Christian News, Great Christian Books catalog, World Magazine, and several others. There is already at least one daily radio program teaching from the preterist perspective and several monthly and quarterly publications. Scores of preterist books, tracts, video and audio tapes have been produced and many more are on the way. It is beginning to capture significant public attention, and is "spreading like wildfire" at the grass roots level. It is compatible with the essential beliefs of all Christians, and is already represented in nearly all Protestant denominations and the Roman Church.

http://www.preterist.org/whatispreterism.asp

Do you see that this is taking over the common understanding of the believers across the board as this website indicates?

 

[GeratTzedek]

Actually, most Pretorists are not Catholics, but Protestants.

Pretorism is more a Protestant thing, as the RCC has no official line on escathology other than the basics. People are free to believe as they wish on the details. Most RCs have a mixed Pretorist/Symbolist/Futurist escathology in regards Revelation.

Also, not many Pretorists would think that the RCC is the New Jerusalem, but have a dozen other explanations about it.

I'm sure everone has noticed that visionary has a "thing" with Catholic church bashing. Everything for visionary is a tool with which to attack the Catholic church, every issue gets twisted into that agenda. I've yet to see visionary post on a topic that is actually of interest to MJ. It makes me wonder... It really does.

 

[GeratTzedek]

just another form of replacement theology

Henaynei, I was a preterist for some 22 years, and only recently changed positions somewhat. I know plenty of preterists. Neither I, nor any of them are or were into replacement theology. Visionary's point #1 is not accurate. I suspect it was worded that way in order to create turmoil in the forum by insulting Jews -- as it has. In fact, the reason I didn't reply, despite my past as a preterist, was because I could see how visionary didn't really want to discuss preterism, but was doing the same old thing of misrepresenting an issue in order to bash Catholicism.

Not only is preterism not inherantly supersessionist (replacement theology) but neither is the Catholic Church. Rome has officially repudiated this false doctrine, and is working hard to reverse its effects.

It's difficult when you have Catholic-Church haters like visionary who want to blot out that progress and restore as much enmity as possible.

I hope this clarifies things somewhat.

 

[visionary]

I'm sure everone has noticed that visionary has a "thing" with Catholic church bashing. Everything for visionary is a tool with which to attack the Catholic church, every issue gets twisted into that agenda. I've yet to see visionary post on a topic that is actually of interest to MJ. It makes me wonder... It really does.

Since this thread is on Preterism.. lets get back to subject at hand.

 

[GeratTzedek]

Since this thread is on Preterism.. lets get back to subject at hand.

This thread was never about preterism, although it pretended to be. Preterism, especially partial preterism, is a perfectly acceptable form of interpretation of Revelation, one of many Chrsitian interpretations. That is all I will say on the subject, because I don't think you really care. Discuss what you want.

 

[ContraMundum]

GerTzedek-

You are correct about Rome and pretorism- it's not a Roman dogma, not ever close.

 

[visionary]

When Yeshua told the disciples about the abomination of desolation that was soon to come to pass, did that not start the preterism ideology?

 

[ContraMundum]

When Yeshua told the disciples about the abomination of desolation that was soon to come to pass, did that not start the preterism ideology?

How could a prediction about the future begin a formula that says all things are fulfilled?

Forget it.

 

[visionary]

So how can preterism hold water?