Preterism and the -1P Program... OR - The beginning of Sorrows...

[Old Timer]

I couldn't decide on the Title.. so there are two choices..

Preterism and the -1P Program... OR.. The Beginning of Sorrows..

Did you even wonder why there is such vicious resistance to the simple truth of Israel's deliverance in the time of the end?

Did you ever wonder why post after post, thread after thread, by the preterists here can't speak of much beyond the DofJ?

Here's your answer folks..

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.

And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Could this be the beginning of sorrows which the LORD spoke of? Could we be on the very brink of that DAY.. which shall come as a thief in the night and as travail upon a woman with child?

With the constant denial of the truth right here in a Christian forum (of all places right).. I'd say that it's obvious to those here who can see that DAY approaching.. and even more obvious is the constant denial of the truth turned into lies by men who consider themselves preterists.

 

[Old Timer]

Perhaps Preterism and the -1P Program is more fitting..

 

[Old Timer]

What makes this blatant denial even more fascinating I think is the make believe Israel right in front of us..

 

[Old Timer]

Remember... the make believe Israel which everyone complains about to the UN.

How they're guilty of crime after crime while the greatest cowards of the world strap bombs to themselves and blow up their innocent woman and children..

Yes, that make believe Israel.

 

[Interplanner]

The people he was speaking to was his beleivers/disciples, not the state of Israel. Cp. Mt 10--the missionaries.

 

[Interplanner]

The situation of Israel then and now have almost nothing in common.

 

[Old Timer]

The people he was speaking to was his beleivers/disciples, not the state of Israel. Cp. Mt 10--the missionaries.

He's speaking to all JEWISH men here in case you're not aware of that simple fact. The LORD is also speaking about the beginning if sorrows which is certainly going to come upon that nation, even in their greatest time of need.. as they're led to repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

And ultimately of course their being DELIVERED in that time.. even though the entire world attempts to rid the world of them.

You can either hear it or continue to reject it.. and the easy route by far is to go with the crowd and join in with them.. because it all clearly comes down to this one simple fact..

and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.

 

[Old Timer]

The situation of Israel then and now have almost nothing in common.

Yes I just saw Mr Roger's Neighborhood and I agree it's all just make believe ISRAEL over there.

 

[Old Timer]

Seems like just about every day I hear of another coward blowing himself up along with some innocent woman and children.

It happens all the time in the land of make believe.

 

[Interplanner]

1st century Israel was swarming with zealots trained in the law; see the last 6 chapters of Acts. Modern Israel: 10% Hasidim; 3% Muslim; 8% Christian; remainder "NYC" liberals.

 

[Old Timer]

You mean GREAT agnostics, atheists, haters, and homosexuals right?

 

[Old Timer]

Yet not a word against the cowards who blow themselves up.. along with innocent Jewish women and children..

Why don't you just strap on some explosives and help rid the world of these worthless people..

Join the cowards of the world against make believe Israel..

There's an idea huh..

Then you can thank the LORD that you're not like they are..

 

[Interplanner]

Unless Jews going there were horribly naive, they knew it was going to be that way. It has been for centuries. The Jews in northern Europe in the mid 1800s who decided to head down believed that the only way to achieve their destiny was to be there.

that's simply not how the NT reads, in Acts 13, 15, in Eph 2B, 3A, Gal 4, Rom 4, 9-11. God wants them to be missionaries for his Gospel. That's God's vineyard. It is not real estate either in the middle east or California.

 

[Old Timer]

The NT I read says this..

and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.

It's also affirmed right before my eyes in post after post, thread after thread..

Even while make believe Israel continues to be hated by all nations..

Go figure..

 

[Old Timer]

Page after page of simple scriptural proof posted for any person with ears to hear and yet it's ANYTHING... literally ANYTHING at all.. even cloud formation comings of Christ..

But absolutely NO POSSIBLE CHANCE of Israel being DELIVERED..

A N Y T H I N G but that.

 

[Interplanner]

yes, the Islamic fanatics should knock it off. But isn't it interesting that the God wants Israel to be in his mission, which has nothing to do with the land, and modern Israel has entrenched to fight for its land and knows nothing of God's mission of justification through Christ?

 

[Interplanner]

The NT I read says this..

and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.

Who is "ye"? It is not the modern state of Israel.

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[Old Timer]

The NT I read says this..

and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.

Who is "ye"? It is not the modern state of Israel.

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And how do you know that?

Are you going to tell me that this is only applicable to the first century and has no truth today..

Is that where you're going IP?

 

[Old Timer]

Tell us all about the beginning of sorrows as well..

I'll take a wild guess and say you believe that's all about AD70

 

[Old Timer]

How about the Q'uran.. I'll bet it has plenty of truth for today doesn't it..?

But the true word of God..

Yeah right..