Preterism and the -1P Program... OR - The beginning of Sorrows...

[Interplanner]

by doing grammatical-historical method interpretation. It is first of all very similar to Mt 10, his 70 missionaries. Huge clue. He is speaking to his own disciples who did not get a lot of love from "Israel." Huge clue. It is about or in answer to the circumstances of the decimation of their temple. Huge clue. It has several 1st century Judean details: the temple, the desert cults, the Sabbath patrols, the end of the 490 years of Daniel.

Good night, get rested and study hard tomorrow.

 

[Old Timer]

Maybe the Israel over there in the midst of its sworn enemies if only make believe after all and there's no truth to that today..

First century.. sure..

Today... yeah right..

 

[Old Timer]

by doing grammatical-historical method interpretation. It is first of all very similar to Mt 10, his 70 missionaries. Huge clue. He is speaking to his own disciples who did not get a lot of love from "Israel." Huge clue. It is about or in answer to the circumstances of the decimation of their temple. Huge clue. It has several 1st century Judean details: the temple, the desert cults, the Sabbath patrols, the end of the 490 years of Daniel.

Good night, get rested and study hard tomorrow.

Great... how about TODAY though..

ANY possible truth in it concerning what's happening with the make believe Israel in the midst of its enemies that everyone swears is going to wipe them off the face of the earth..

There's just NO POSSIBLE way that it could be about that..

I understand..

 

[Old Timer]

yes, the Islamic fanatics should knock it off. But isn't it interesting that the God wants Israel to be in his mission, which has nothing to do with the land, and modern Israel has entrenched to fight for its land and knows nothing of God's mission of justification through Christ?

It has much to do with that land..

Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

And yes I agree.. the greatest cowards of the world should knock it off.. but they won't..

 

[Old Timer]

How about the word of God for TODAY... Any truth to it?

How about the Q'uran? Any truth to that TODAY?

How about any other religious book..

The Book of Mormon perhaps? Truth for TODAY..?

 

[Interplanner]

You do realize the 'going to the cities of Israel' is the 70 missionaries in Mt 10, don't you?

You need to study 10x more than you post.

 

[Old Timer]

You do realize the 'going to the cities of Israel' is the 70 missionaries in Mt 10, don't you?

You need to study 10x more than you post.

Absolutely.. so tell me.. when did the LORD come?

Let me take a wild guess..

AD70?

 

[Old Timer]

Now I guess they can't even admit that they believe Christ came in AD70..

I wouldn't admit it either if I were a preterist.

 

[Interplanner]

OT, read the notes at the header. Full Preterism believes Christ already came, is considered unorthodox and not allowed here at CF.

Some of us separate Mt24A and B because of the setting of A and B.

 

[Old Timer]

OT, read the notes at the header. Full Preterism believes Christ already came, is considered unorthodox and not allowed here at CF.

Some of us separate Mt24A and B because of the setting of A and B.

You mean that you don't believe Christ has come yet.. not even a half coming?

 

[Messy]

The people he was speaking to was his beleivers/disciples, not the state of Israel. Cp. Mt 10--the missionaries.

Daniel 9

Seventy weeks[a] are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.

When was the vision and prophecy sealed up?
But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase


When was the iniquity of his holy city reconciled? When Jesus died? They didn't all accept Him, so the iniquity of Jerusalem wasn't reconciled. Jerusalem was destroyed.


Matthew 23:37-39
37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38 See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’


Acts 2
Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.

 

[Interplanner]

Messy, you're going several directions at once.

the 6 accomplishments of Messiah in Dan 9 are historic and occurred on time, in the 490 years.

It included being rejected by Israel; it was not a surprise. Reconciliation of the debt of sin does not mean Israel stops sinning. It is the gift of the Gospel for all who believe due to the death of Christ.

 

[7sForDays]

Daniel 9

Seventy weeks[a] are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.

When was the vision and prophecy sealed up?
But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase


When was the iniquity of his holy city reconciled? When Jesus died? They didn't all accept Him, so the iniquity of Jerusalem wasn't reconciled. Jerusalem was destroyed.


Matthew 23:37-39
37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38 See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’


Acts 2
Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.

How do you equate sealing the "vision and prophecy" to sealing the "book"?

Gabriel told Daniel that after the 70 weeks (490 years) the vision and prophecy would be sealed.

According to you, Daniel sealed the prophecy and the vision before the prophecy even began.

doesnt make any sense.

 

[Old Timer]

SO it's obvious that Christ hasn't come yet..

That's step 1...