President Donald Trump would have won

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If only we had a time machine to go back to the future! Trump would have won if more people had voted for him too.
This just in.... the Obama Time Portal is down for repairs.
 
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So it has nothong to do with the candidates' qualifications?
Of course it does have something to do with that, but it's only one factor that voters take into consideration.

Another is the candidate's record. There has hardly been any Presidential candidate of a major party who, in the past hundred years, was kept so much "out of sight," off the campaign trail, and protected from inquiries about his past doings as the former Vice-President was during this year's campaign.
 
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Of course it does have something to do with that, but it's only one factor that voters take into consideration.

Another is the candidate's record. There has hardly been any Presidential candidate of a major party who, in the past hundred years, was kept so much "out of sight," off the campaign trail, and protected from inquiries about his past doings as the former Vice-President was this year.
Biden was fortunate to run against the only Republican capable of losing to him. Trump has now surpassed Hillary as the Biggest Political Loser of this millennium.
 
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Nothing that comes from Trump , his lawyers or a legally blind man. That didn't see Biden drop a liquid damage computer. Can be trusted. Also all Trumps illegal activities make Hunter Biden look like a saint.
I do not know of anyone other than Hillary who has had top secret information on an unsecured computer and server who has not been charged with a crime. What she did was not only illegal it was dangerous to our national security.
Trump has done worse. And you excuse it .Or pretend it didn't happen. So your talk about Hillary is nothing compared to Trump illegal activities that were done on purpose.
 
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That account isn't very convincing. Consider that this is what it says:

"Citing a handful of emails and texts, the Post alleges Hunter Biden leveraged his father’s influence to arrange business deals in Ukraine and China, and Joe Biden was aware of these arrangements, and sometimes profited from them."

"A handful of emails and texts?" That's supposed to be all this is about?

Not when all of us saw Biden himself confessing to it on film, explaining how he did it and how proud he was of his successful extortion scheme against the Ukrainian government through use of his position as the American Vice-President!
 
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Yes, if polls are to be believed (and I note that Biden supporters have said that the polls showed him leading prior to election day, therefore, the election outcome must be valid) a stunningly high percentage of people who voted for him said that if they'd known of the Hunter Biden scandal, it would have affected their vote for President.

Anyone who didn't sleep through Donald's impeachment already knows about the Hunter Biden "scandal."
 
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Not when all of us saw Biden himself confessing to it on film, explaining how he did it and how proud he was of his successful extortion scheme against the Ukrainian government through use of his position as the American Vice-President!
Can't with until enough American sanity returns so that this no longer needs to be addressed ...
 
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Not when all of us saw Biden himself confessing to it on film, explaining how he did it and how proud he was of having extorted the Ukrainian government by using his position as the American Vice-President!

How did he extort the Ukrainian Government? Why would republicans support Biden on this? (Including Johnson?) Anyone who has taken a modicum of time knows that the allegations against biden are totally contrived...as if biden could act on his own!

Here’s What Happened With The Bidens And Ukraine

Of course many of us have come to realize that facts, evidence, and truth are of little value when weighed against the overwhelming need to launch one's head into the readily available biased sand.
 
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Your country is in the middle (or perhaps at the beginning) of a deadly pandemic. You are really worried about the tax inspectors' concerns about a private citizen?

This is guilt by association, trial by media. Many people who have an affection for your country must be saddened by this fall from the high standards of fairness they have seen.

America used to be better than this, surely?
 
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How did he extort the Ukrainian Government?
You didn't see him on stage bragging and explaining in detail how he worked them and threatened them until they gave his son (who had no credentials for holding the position he was given) this lucrative post in exchange for Biden allowing US foreign aid to go to Ukraine?

Yes, I know that a host of alibis were concocted after the fact and after this all came to light, but if you aren't aware of anything except those....
 
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Can't with until enough American sanity returns so that this no longer needs to be addressed ...

Planning to outlive Methuselah, eh?
 
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Another is the candidate's record. There has hardly been any Presidential candidate of a major party who, in the past hundred years, was kept so much "out of sight," off the campaign trail, and protected from inquiries about his past doings as the former Vice-President was during this year's campaign.

For the record, that’s not true. FDR, in his 1940 run against Wendell Wilkie for a 3rd term, campaigned almost entirely from the White House. And it was the same in his 1944 race against Tom Dewey. Of course, he was wheelchair bound for his entire presidency. Extensive travel was challenging. He was in obviously poor health in his last campaign, and really was in no condition to be President for 4 more years. Which was kept hidden from the voters. Joe Biden’s relative lack of large-scale campaign events was related to the pandemic, and to observance of social distancing. And as far as health goes, he’s a Olympian marathoner compared to FDR.
 
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You didn't see him on stage bragging and explaining in detail how he worked them and threatened them until they gave his son (who had no credentials for holding the position he was given) this lucrative post in exchange for Biden allowing US foreign aid to go to Ukraine?

Nope. Did you?
 
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For the record, that’s not true. FDR, in his 1940 run against Wendell Wilkie for a 3rd term, campaigned almost entirely from the White House. And it was the same in his 1944 race against Tom Dewey. Of course, he was wheelchair bound for his entire presidency. Extensive travel was challenging. He was obviously poor health in his last campaign, and really was in no condition to be President for 4 more years. Which was kept hidden from the voters.

Okay. I'll give you that FDR, in the time of WW2 and in his physical situation, was as you say.

So, I'll change my "past hundred years" to "past half century" and the point still stands.
 
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Bragging was the thrust of Trump's speeches, not Biden's.

Whatever happened to that Wall? Has it been built yet? Why have his supporters forgotten about this broken promise? Did anybody heckle him about it at a rally?

It seemed to drop out of the president's many speeches shortly after his 'record breaking' inauguration. How far has it got?
 
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You didn't see him on stage bragging and explaining in detail how he worked them and threatened them until they gave his son (who had no credentials for holding the position he was given) this lucrative post in exchange for Biden allowing US foreign aid to go to Ukraine?
:doh:
Hunter Biden already had a position on the Burisma board when Vice President Biden, backed by the US government, EU governments, and the IMF, had his talks with the government of Ukraine.
 
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You didn't see him on stage bragging and explaining in detail how he worked them and threatened them until they gave his son (who had no credentials for holding the position he was given) this lucrative post in exchange for Biden allowing US foreign aid to go to Ukraine?

Yes, I know that a host of alibis were concocted after the fact and after this all came to light, but if you aren't aware of anything except those....
At the time of his appointment to the Burisma board, Hunter Biden was an experienced international finance executive in his forties with a prestigious law degree and a net worth of over three million dollars. He was appointed to the board as an "outside director" to advise on financial matters (rather than to be involved in the practical concerns of running a natural gas business) a position for which he was eminently qualified. To say that he had no qualifications for the post he was given is arrant nonsense.
 
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You didn't see him on stage bragging and explaining in detail how he worked them and threatened them until they gave his son (who had no credentials for holding the position he was given) this lucrative post in exchange for Biden allowing US foreign aid to go to Ukraine?
Thing 1) Hunter already had the job ... and had it for awhile.

The allegation is that Biden threatened the loss of American aid ... unless Ukraine fired its Prosecutor General ... who was allegedly investigating the company that Hunter worked for.

Now that we've got that huge misunderstanding corrected ...

Thing 2) The Ukrainian Prosecutor General had been investigating said company ... until he accepted a bribe to stop doing so. That this Prosecutor General was accepting bribes to forego legitimate investigations ... is why the US, and its European allies ... refused to provide more aid to Ukraine ... unless this official was fired.
 
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