Preserved Saints

[Renton405]

Is there any scientific explanation for this?? How can a body remain incorrupt after dying??

 

[E.C.]

God's work.

 

[français]

I personally think that when Jesus returns, the Saints will be Resurrected and will help spread the true message of Christ. After all, who knows better then the Saints!

It is truly a miracle. Science can never explain it. It is all by the grace of G-d!

She died in 1876, and look how perfect Her body is! May G-d be with her

G-d be with her, she died in the 1700's!

These are just a few examples of such great miracles our L-rd does.

http://www.livingmiracles.net/Incorrupt.html
www.marypages.com

 

[Ave Maria]

Science simply cannot explain the incorruptibles. After all, there are things that science cannot explain. Science cannot explain everything as some would like to believe. My opinion is that they were simply holy men or women of God and so God gave them the privilege of not letting their bodies see corruption.

 

[Kristos]

On the flipside, there are those that even the ground won't accept. Wasn't Arius split out of the ground several times???

 

[E.C.]

On the flipside, there are those that even the ground won't accept. Wasn't Arius split out of the ground several times???

That would not surprise me.

I can see it now: some coffin is lowered to the ground and then is spit right back up!

 

[BBAS 64]

Good Day,

The Vatican had a bunch of Science types look in this and examine the bodies, they relesed a show on Discovery "The Incoruptibles ??" very interesting show.

In Him,

Bill

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Is there any scientific explanation for this?? How can a body remain incorrupt after dying??

Come on, people....

Check it out. Don't take this at face value. I was impressed when I first heard about this a couple of months ago. Then I learned that they have wax over their faces and hands. One was exhumed and had inexplicable amounts of salt and carbon in her coffin (as a preservative). They've done the same thing to that Russian leader...Lenin.

They use the same kind of masks as Madame Tussauds. It was popular in the middle ages and the RCC has continued to do so today to keep up only the APPEARANCE of incorruptability. Smoke and mirrors, folks...or in this case wax, carbon, salt or whatever else they can think of to perpetuate the illusion.
Regarding "saint bernadette":
"At the exhumation, it was noted that a small portion of the skin on the face had discolored slightly, due probably to the washing the body had received and its exposure to the organisms of the air. Consequently, it was decided to cover the face and hands with light wax masks. The firm of Pierre Imans in Paris was contacted, and they agreed to make the necessary masks."

from www.livingmiracles.net/Incorrupt.html

If you look closely and read the examining doctors accounts of Bernadette, she's also had a bit of a nose job.

www.artukraine.com/historical/lenin_makeover.htm
Check out Lenin at the above link.

 

[jckstraw72]

the Orthodox Church does no such thing to its incorrupt saints, such as St. John Maximovitch.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

the Orthodox Church does no such thing to its incorrupt saints, such as St. John Maximovitch.

Ah..gee whiz...eeeuuuwww!
THAT'S incorruptible????

The man's body is turning black and obviously they know it because they've laid a cloth over his face.

Ick! None of these people's bodies are without decay, therefore they are indeed corruptible. Talk about taking a passage of scripture (about Jesus) and running wild with it!!!!

 

[leothelioness]

Good Day,

The Vatican had a bunch of Science types look in this and examine the bodies, they relesed a show on Discovery "The Incoruptibles ??" very interesting show.

In Him,

Bill

I saw that show. They did indeed proove that those bodies had been artificially preserved with wax.

Now for those that were not artificially preserved I believe their bodies remained in such good condition because of how they were interred. Temperature, humidity, exposure to water, etc. have a lot to do with it.

Now, to those that believe that God preserved the bodies of these saints, what about the Egyptian Pharoahs who were found after thousands (as opposed to hundreds) of years in just as good if not better condition than these supposed "Incorruptibles"? Did God preserve their bodies as well?

If you apply an argument to one scenario you have to apply it to a similar one as well.

 

[Thekla]

I saw that show. They did indeed proove that those bodies had been artificially preserved with wax.

Now for those that were not artificially preserved I believe their bodies remained in such good condition because of how they were interred. Temperature, humidity, exposure to water, etc. have a lot to do with it.

Now, to those that believe that God preserved the bodies of these saints, what about the Egyptian Pharoahs who were found after thousands (as opposed to hundreds) of years in just as good if not better condition than these supposed "Incorruptibles"? Did God preserve their bodies as well?

If you apply an argument to one scenario you have to apply it to a similar one as well.

In the EO, bodies are not embalmed.

IIRC, the Egyptians embalmed bodies (although vital organs were removed ?).

 

[prodromos]

Saint Nektarios was buried in the earth for around 10 years before it was decided to retrieve his relics to place them in the monastery church. When they opened his grave not only had his body not decomposed in any way, his hair and nails had continued to grow.

 

[Mary of Bethany]

Just to make it clear, Orthodox faithful are buried without embalming or any other change made to our natural bodies, awaiting the Resurrection.

Mary

 

[Dorothea]

Saint Nektarios was buried in the earth for around 10 years before it was decided to retrieve his relics to place them in the monastery church. When they opened his grave not only had his body not decomposed in any way, his hair and nails had continued to grow.

That is so neat! And I didn't know about the last bolded part! WOW!

 

[jckstraw72]

St. John has been dead for 40 yrs and yet his hands still have skin on them -- they are dehydrated, but have skin nonetheless. and no, his whole body is not incorrupt as far as i know.

 

[Ave Maria]

the Orthodox Church does no such thing to its incorrupt saints, such as St. John Maximovitch.

He doesn't appear to be incorruptible to me. It appears that his body has "corrupted" quite a bit to me.

 

[jckstraw72]

incorrupt does not have to mean it is exactly as it was when alive. and it doesnt mean the whole body, as i said. but St. John, as you can see from the picture, still has skin on his hands although he reposed over 40 yrs ago and has never been embalmed.

 

[prodromos]

Holy Martyr King Olaf of Norway

It was twelve months and five days from the death of the king to the day his holy relics were taken up, the coffin having risen out of the earth and looking as new as if it had just been planned. Bishop Grimkel then went to the opened coffin of King Olaf, from which there proceeded a precious fragrance. The bishop then uncovered the king's face, and it was completely unchanged: the cheeks were red as if he had just fallen asleep. Those who had seen King Olaf when he fell noticed a great difference in that his hair and nails had grown almost as much as they would have done if he had been alive in this world all the time since his fall. King Swein and all the chiefs who were there then went to see King Olaf's body.

 

[leothelioness]

In the EO, bodies are not embalmed.

On this show I think all the corpses they investigated were in the Catholic church.

At any rate, they proved that those corpses had been embalmed with wax, but the Catholic church had told the faithful that they had not been preserved.

My question is, and I mean no offense by this, if the Catholic church was able to convince it's faithful that they did not embalm the bodies of it's saints couldn't the same be happening in the Orthodox church?

Also, like I have said in a previous post those corpses that indeed have not been embalmed were preserved by being interred in the right conditions so as to slow the decaying process. It isn't really because of any Divine Intervention. Sure, God could preserve bodies if He wanted, but what would be the purpose??? I just don't buy it.