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I don't think "steal" is the right word... maybe "nudge" or "dragoon."
I like steal better, we really need the tithes.
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I actually had a hard time between choosing PCA and OPC. The reason why I ended up in PCA is because its closer to my house.
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I actually had a hard time between choosing PCA and OPC. The reason why I ended up in PCA is because its closer to my house.
Both the PCA and OPC are great. You cannot go wrong in either.
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Hey... I just checked NewGuy's profile! Now I know what yer talking about TraderJack. I didn't realize you were already in a PCA, NewGuy.
Yeah, Missions North America needs all the funding we can get.
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heymikey80
Quidquid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur
Baptism, by Francis Schaeffer
The Polemics of Infant Baptism, B.B. Warfield
Institutes -- Paedobaptism, John Calvin
My own view started with one point in particular: the fact that God actually commanded the sign of faith be applied on infants in the Old Testament, and didn't revoke or reverse or attack that command anywhere in the New Testament.
Baptists command that infants not be given the sign of faith. That's a 180deg reversal from any command you can find from God concerning a sign of faith.
Humans made that argument.
God didn't.
The Polemics of Infant Baptism, B.B. Warfield
Institutes -- Paedobaptism, John Calvin
My own view started with one point in particular: the fact that God actually commanded the sign of faith be applied on infants in the Old Testament, and didn't revoke or reverse or attack that command anywhere in the New Testament.
Baptists command that infants not be given the sign of faith. That's a 180deg reversal from any command you can find from God concerning a sign of faith.
Humans made that argument.
God didn't.
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GrinningDwarf
Just a humble servant
In fact, I would submit that paedobaptism is untenable outside the framework of Covenant Theology. As I've studied Covenant Theology, I've almost been converted to paedobaptism. It definitely makes sense in the context of Covenant Theology...but then when I go back and read the baptism Scriptures in their natural context, I find I have to stick with credobaptism. (And I'm simply trying to agree with you that an understanding of Covenant Theology helps to understand paedobaptism...I have no intentions of starting that paedo vs. credo discussion here as I've exhausted myself on the topic on other threads in SR).
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heymikey80
Quidquid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur
Hm. I've looked through the OT circumcision statements in Scripture and noticed they would often militate for credo-circumcision.
"Circumcise your hearts ...."
"Circumcise your hearts ...."
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xapis
Soli Deo gloria!
GD - Did you hear Sproul's three-parter on baptism?
http://www.ligonier.org/rym.php
Check out the audio from 1/28 - 1/30 and let me know your thoughts, bro. They have a stream for folks on dial-up.
http://www.ligonier.org/rym.php
Check out the audio from 1/28 - 1/30 and let me know your thoughts, bro. They have a stream for folks on dial-up.
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xapis
Soli Deo gloria!
oh yeah... sorry. I see that now.
Cited more verses? I think he addressed just about every passage (either directly or indirectly) of NT Scripture that deals with baptism. Since there's no apparent explicit statement either way on baptizing infants, both sides (credo- and paedo-) must work from all of Scripture's inferences related to baptism to determine what is descriptive versus what is prescriptive.
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He used broad statements, but I wish he would have approached every verse and given each side perspective on it. I know that's a lot to ask considering he is restricted by time so I know why he approached it the way he did. The way he ended it seemed to me that he said although the issue is important it's not something worth bikiring about (which I agree with).oh yeah... sorry. I see that now.
Cited more verses? I think he addressed just about every passage (either directly or indirectly) of NT Scripture that deals with baptism. Since there's no apparent explicit statement either way on baptizing infants, both sides (credo- and paedo-) must work from all of Scripture's inferences related to baptism to determine what is descriptive versus what is prescriptive.
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McWilliams
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Better yet, did you listen to the baptism debate between RC Sproul and Alistair Begg! Wonderful and convincing! Sorry fellas, Sproul gets tromped!
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