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This is a long term goal. We currently have a "catio" for my wife's cats. As needs require, we will eventually convert it over to a chicken or rabbit pen.
Is this up next to your house? How many chickens are you thinking about? Right now I have over 100 chickens. They are about 200 feet away from my house; and I can't smell their coops form my house. My main chicken coop is smokin'. The inside is covered with FRP. It has drains in the floor, and a water hose to scrub and hose it down. it has a ducted fan inside to keep it well ventilated. Even so, the piles of manure that I shovel out of there get kind of stinky.
 
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Is this up next to your house? How many chickens are you thinking about? Right now I have over 100 chickens. They are about 200 feet away from my house; and I can't smell their coops form my house. My main chicken coop is smokin'. The inside is covered with FRP. It has drains in the floor, and a water hose to scrub and hose it down. it has a ducted fan inside to keep it well ventilated. Even so, the piles of manure that I shovel out of there get kind of stinky.
Certainly a consideration. My plan was based on my son's design, which is up against the back of his house. He hoses out his pen occasionally. I have seen it a few times, and I do not recall the smell. But you raise a good point.
 
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We had a multi-day power outage after a windstorm. It got me thinking. We had cold tap water, we had gas for the stove, we had working cars, the internet was available, and I had some small battery backup devices.

Candles are OK.
A refrigerator keeps cool for almost 18 hours as long as you don't open it.
Keeping cell phones charged from the cars was easy enough.
One car has a wimpy 150 watt inverter but that was able to keep my laptop charged.
Stoplights don't work, and traffic really really backs up.
Bucket baths work with water warmed by the sun.
We could spray down the roof to keep the house a bit cooler.
It gets really hot and uncomfortable at night nonetheless.

Getting the battery backups recharged was a real chore. It became a twice a day ritual to lug those thing to a friend's house to get them charged up. I wanted to keep my fish alive and that required some air pumps. But the battery backups beeped obnoxiously and I never did figure out how to turn off the beep on one of them. No fish died. But man was that tedious. In a real catastrophe the fish are going to be toast. Instead I would fire up the cable modem and router on occasion for information, presuming internet was still available.

Food wasn't a huge issue for us. We packed out the fridge to our daughter's house. We threw some marginal stuff out but saved most of it. We did OK. But the local grocery store had stuff they had to throw out while they waited for an emergency generator to arrive. In a worse sort of crisis I imagine the shelves could empty, the emergency generator could be hijacked, and we would only have the food to eat that was already on hand.

I had a job that day installing some computer networking equipment. The building I was at had power. But one of their other buildings didn't, and they lost a day of production waiting on their emergency generator to arrive from 400 miles away. In a worse crisis would I have even been able to work?

WW3 seems like it could happen soon enough, and that it wouldn't be all 'over there'. And we are polarized to the point that civil war is becoming thinkable too. Energy security becomes a thing in both scenarios. Food security ditto. Water and sewage and trash removal? I know I can live without electricity for a while, for a few days anyhow. I did it for two years when I was younger. The big bag of rice, the big bag of beans, and the multiple jars of peanut butter go a long way. One good dish from West Africa is Domoda, which is basically rice and peanut sauce with tomatoes. Chickens work, but you have to feed them too. They forage but they need some high protein food too, at least to produce eggs in any quantity.

So do you have a stable drinking water situation? I filtered and boiled water for two years. That requires fuel for the boilage. I have a creek near me now, but the prospects of working to clean that up to be drinkable do not excite me. It would need hours of settling, running through a ceramic filter, activated carbon cleanup, and then boiling. Not relishing that at all.
I saw something about boiling water for disinfecting that has made me rethink it. I was of the opinion that water should be boiled at least 15 minutes. What I habe discovered is that some things are killed in short minutes by boiling and other things are killed by getting the temperature up to Pasteurization temperatures for a longer time. SO, just getting the water to boiling three minutes and cooling it down slowly should kill everything. AND save a lot of fuel.
 
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I was of the opinion that water should be boiled at least 15 minutes.
In Hong Kong, the Chinese boil their water for 15 minutes. The water is safe to drink but that is still their tradition. You can buy an appliance that will boil the water and shut off after 15 minutes. I do not trust city water. I like to buy bottled water that has been purified. If I could not get bottled water I would boil it for sure.

The drug store here will sell you a gallon of water for 25 cents if you have your own container. They use reverse osmosis to purify water. Astronauts purify their urine and other waste water to make it drinkable again. This process is part of the water reclamation systems used on the International Space Station (ISS) to ensure a sustainable supply of clean water in space. Cruise ships purify ocean water to make it drinkable. Dubai primarily gets its water from desalinated seawater.

Sometimes water is sold out, so I stock up to cover the times I can not get the brand I want. If people live in an area with a high rate of disasters then they should take that risk into consideration in what they stock up on. Someone somewhere is going to be glad they were prepared. Now there is talk that there is going to be an increase in natural disasters this year. That they are going to be even worse than before. But not everyone will be effected.
 
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In Hong Kong, the Chinese boil their water for 15 minutes. The water is safe to drink but that is still their tradition. You can buy an appliance that will boil the water and shut off after 15 minutes. I do not trust city water. I like to buy bottled water that has been purified. If I could not get bottled water I would boil it for sure.

The drug store here will sell you a gallon of water for 25 cents if you have your own container. They use reverse osmosis to purify water. Astronauts purify their urine and other waste water to make it drinkable again. This process is part of the water reclamation systems used on the International Space Station (ISS) to ensure a sustainable supply of clean water in space. Cruise ships purify ocean water to make it drinkable. Dubai primarily gets its water from desalinated seawater.

Sometimes water is sold out, so I stock up to cover the times I can not get the brand I want. If people live in an area with a high rate of disasters then they should take that risk into consideration in what they stock up on. Someone somewhere is going to be glad they were prepared. Now there is talk that there is going to be an increase in natural disasters this year. That they are going to be even worse than before. But not everyone will be effected.
I have safe drinking water from the tap, but you never know whether that could be disrupted. So knowing how to walk down to the creek and make that safe is important. A ceramic filter and some activated carbon and boiling will work for that. Different situations require different solutions.
 
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I saw something about boiling water for disinfecting that has made me rethink it. I was of the opinion that water should be boiled at least 15 minutes. What I habe discovered is that some things are killed in short minutes by boiling and other things are killed by getting the temperature up to Pasteurization temperatures for a longer time. SO, just getting the water to boiling three minutes and cooling it down slowly should kill everything. AND save a lot of fuel.
Remember that boiling does not remove toxins or heavy metals. You may need to put it through an additional filter. :oldthumbsup:
 
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Remember that boiling does not remove toxins or heavy metals. You may need to put it through an additional filter. :oldthumbsup:
That would likely be activated carbon.
 
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That would likely be activated carbon.
Exactly :oldthumbsup:. Our water kit includes a carton of activated carbon and eight water filter "straws" that clear the water of almost everything. We are working on a larger solution. We recently purchased an intense UV light that you can submerge into a water barrel and, within a few hours, eliminate everything living thing within it. I made a catio for our cats and built a water catchment system on the roof. We have two 40-gallon barrels to hold the runoff. This UV light is intended for the barrels. These are relatively inexpensive solutions. Probably less than 100 bucks for the lot. Until we need them, the barrels will water our garden—there is no need for UV light. We are considering a "Berkey" water filtration system. That is over 400 bucks. That is an investment. The filters are up to 12 bucks each, requiring 3 or 4 at a time. They filter up to 6000 gallons per set. Water will be the essential prep if things go south.
 
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Just two quick comments. Sterilization for equipment takes about 45 minutes in an autoclave. Most stuff is killed pretty fast. Kind of like lysol kills 99.9% of germs or something like that. There are some that survive quite awhile, but so little that you should not have to worry.
MADD is just a theory. I really think that most nuclear responses would be tit for tat. The problem is that if missiles are incoming you do not know the payloads. That is not a problem though if the missiles, or planes are very limited. Ships or smuggled nukes as in the Sum of all Fears movie seem most likely. It is harder than the movie to determine quickly where they might have came from. So the response and timing of it might not be like MADD would predict. This is consistent with Biden talking about "proportional" response though he is thinking conventional. Trump would not be like that but I don't think the USA would launch everything, in response to a couple of nukes. He would respond though.

I'd be interested if anyone knows how to get the iodine pills needed to protect your thyroid if one is exposed to fallout. Is that something basic everyone should have?
 
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MADD is just a theory
It is not a theory when they actually use to build the weapons. Although now they are more interested in anti ballistic missile for defence. They used them a lot during operation desert storm. A few rockets got past them but more of them were taken out.
 
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I'd be interested if anyone knows how to get the iodine pills needed to protect your thyroid if one is exposed to fallout. Is that something basic everyone should have?
An outdoors store that sells camping equipment should have it. I've seen it there. Storage is indefinite in a sealed bottle. The stuff tastes terrible though. Mix it with water, check the dosage, and have a party with it.
 
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An outdoors store that sells camping equipment should have it. I've seen it there. Storage is indefinite in a sealed bottle. The stuff tastes terrible though. Mix it with water, check the dosage, and have a party with it.
That's a party i don't want to have lol, but thanks for the info.
 
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