Millennial Choice…
All of us have to make the choice of making some unit of time not "literal".
Not really, the choice was never ours to make.
We have "hour" and "all" in John chapter 5, where Jesus seems to indicate a simultaneous bodily resurrection of both the Godly and the ungodly.
John 5:28-29.
We have the same simultaneous resurrection from
Job 14:12,
Daniel 12:1-3, Paul in Acts 24:15, and John in Rev. 11:18.
Actually it's not. It's the same "hour" that is separated by 1000 literal years. The hour is based on the perspective of the individual. Time stops for the folks killed by the Rider on the white horse, when their "hour" comes it'll seem like Armageddon was half a minute ago even though a thousand years have passed by.. It's the same effect when they are "taken" to their destruction, it only seems immediate to the person that is "taken". To us it will look like they're laying on the Earth for a thousand years.
We have Jesus discussing the resurrection at the "last day" in John chapter 6.
Martha confirmed this understanding after the death of her brother Lazarus.
Didn't it seem like they wanted to make that "last day" abundantly clear to us? Wherever it occurs in the chronology, it certainly isn't the "first day" or the "day before".
How many days come after the last day?
Since the last day is on the 7th trumpet and the bowls have to be completed after that, I'll estimate not LESS than 367,555 days. That's a bowl per day + 1000 years.
We can redefine all of these, from several different witnesses, and get a 1,000 year reign of Christ after His Second Coming, where sin and death continue, by making some assumptions
No we can't, it's not for us to redefine. Jesus will have His reign WITH His saints at His Father's House just like He said when He went to prepare that place for us.. Sin and death will not continue because sinners will all be dead.
or we can understand that John saw the "souls" of those who died in-Christ living and reigning with Christ in heaven for a very long (1,000) time before the return of Christ. This is a reference to the length of time that the souls reign, but it does not discuss how long Christ reigns. His reign is given as forever in Rev. chapter 11.
Sorry BAB, there was no real souls living under the alter. It's a literary device called the personification of an inanimate object, Like when God said in Genesis: "Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground", Abel's blood did not really cry out anymore than millions of souls under the alter cried out. The souls were told to "rest a little longer" because that's what they're doing. They are dead in the ground waiting for the last day resurrection like everyone else who has passed on.
The fifth seal message is for us, it's going to happen about half way through the tribulation after the fifth trumpet. It's just a beautiful way of speaking indirectly to the final generation. We are living in an intermission between two great periods of Christian persecution, our blood won't be avenged until the final white throne judgment day.
The 1,000 year reign of Christ is an assumption, not found in the text.
Here's our souls after the tribulation is finished:
"Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a -->thousand years".
(This ESV version that I'm looking at reads "a thousand years" six times)
If I married the Queen of England in the future, at some point in time the historians might write about how long I reigned with her.
However, that would not be the length of her reign, which would be much longer.
Yeah but the Queen's reign is not what we're worried about, It's the duration of her reign
WITH BAB.
The "first resurrection" in Rev. 20, cannot be the first bodily resurrection, since the two witnesses are resurrected in chapter 11 and we also have a judgment of the dead at Rev. 11:18.
The 2 witnesses have their own resurrection, about 3.5 days prior to the "last day", when a voice from Heaven says:"come up here". (I know you're anxious)
and we also have a judgment of the dead at Rev. 11:18.
The dead were judged by Jesus beginning in 1844. This was the cleansing of Heaven's Temple that Daniel was talking about. The judgment of Rev. 11 is the one Paul was talking about in 1 Corinthians 6. It can't begin until we are resurrected:
"Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world?", "Do you not know that we are to judge angels?" This is what we're going to be doing for the thousand years. I know that the demonic angel's fates are already decided, so we must have some involvement in the punishment they receive before they are annihilated.
I have never understood how pretribbers can say this is the first bodily resurrection, since they believe in a bodily resurrection of Christians at an earlier point in time.
It makes more sense that this would be the "spiritual resurrection" of being "Born Again" found at
John 5:24-25.
So many Tim LaHaye Youtube videos, so little time. I thought that you switched to Doug Batchelor videos.
I have always been bothered by the idea of mortals living to a very old age, but still dying after the return of Christ.
I can't figure out where you're getting this from, a Hal Lindsey video?
Would Christ perform their funeral service?
He will send the carrion birds to eat them. It's called the great feast of God almighty.
Where would their souls go, since Christ is here?
The soul that sinneth it shall die.
If the Christians are ruling over these mortals during the 1,000 years we must do a terrible job if they rebel against Christ.
Mortals have become extinct at the start of the 1000 years, who do you think those vultures are eating?
Does Christ just let Satan out of the pit and allow him to foment a rebellion, all while Christ is in control of the planet?
Yes, when we all come back after the 1000 years are finished.
all while Christ is in control of the planet?
The planet will be controlled by Satan and a large flock of flesh eating birds. Nothing to see here folks, move along.
These questions have caused me to reject the premill position.
Good idea.
I also do not see things getting better, so therefore I have also discarded the postmill view.
Sounds good.
Amill means, No Millennium, which is an unfortunate term.
I think so too.
In my humble opinion the 1,000 years is a symbol that represents the whole "Church Age".
Sorry, there are 18 prophetic time periods in the books of Daniel and Revelation. In my humble opinion there's no such thing as symbolic "time".
I know a lot of good people who hold the classic premill position.
Some of them are nonDispensational Baptists, like Pastor Sam Adams from Florida.
I don't know anyone who goes to church. Maybe that's the problem. You should move to the bush and be independent like me.
This is an issue we should never divide over, since either choice we make, could be the one that is not correct.
Again, listen to all of the viewpoints and consider the one that best matches scripture, without ignoring or changing some of the text.
Agreed. My understanding of Biblical eschatology is very different than yours. I thank the Lord for my understanding. But if you believe in Jesus you're a brother and a friend of mine.
Is the Gog Magog War the Battle of Armageddon ?
No it's not. The Ezekiel Gog got canceled during the 70th week. The new mini Gog will be after the 1000 years are finished.
I will see you in the air or see you there BAB.
