Preincarnate Jesus was Melchizedek

[tonychanyt]

Concerning the preincarnate Jesus, Hebrew 7:

17 For it is testified: “You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek."

21 Jesus became a priest with an oath by the One who said to Him:

“The Lord has sworn and will not change His mind:​

‘You are a priest forever.’ ”​

22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.

23 Now there have been many other priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office. 24 But because Jesus lives forever, He has a permanent priesthood.

The author of Hebrew, under inspiration, pointed out the preincarnate existence of Jesus as Melchizedek the high priest at the time of Abraham.

In the OT, after Abram defeated some of the Canaanite kings in Gen 14:

18 Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. (He was priest of God Most High.) 19And he blessed him and said, “Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth;

Abram encountered the person of Melchizedek.

Jesus might have alluded to the above in John 8:56

Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day [as Melchizedek]; he saw it and was glad.”

On balance, I am 80% confident that Melchizedek was a preincarnat appearance of Jesus. In any case, Melchizedek was a type of Christ.

See also Preincarnate appearances of Jesus in the OT.

 

[Dahveed]

Concerning the preincarnate Jesus, Hebrew 7:
17 For it is testified: “You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek."

21 Jesus became a priest with an oath by the One who said to Him:
“The Lord has sworn and will not change His mind:
‘You are a priest forever.’ ”
22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.

The author of Hebrew, under inspiration, pointed out the preincarnate existence of Jesus as Melchizedek the high priest at the time of Abraham.

Jesus might have alluded to the above in John 8:56

Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day [as Melchizedek]; he saw it and was glad.”

If this (post above) is what you refer to as "FOL" in that case, you hit the mark; although, it's more commonly known as TBOW.
And, once made perfect, He became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey Him; designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek. Heb 5:9-10

He appeared to take away our sins. 1 John 3:4

 

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Concerning the preincarnate Jesus, Hebrew 7:



The author of Hebrew, under inspiration, pointed out the preincarnate existence of Jesus as Melchizedek the high priest at the time of Abraham.

In the OT, after Abram defeated some of the Canaanite kings in Gen 14:

Abram encountered the person of Melchizedek.

Jesus might have alluded to the above in John 8:56


See also Preincarnate appearances of Jesus in the OT.

It does say that Melchezedek was made after the similitude of the Son of God (the high preist to come). Abram's name was changed to Abraham after he met Melchizedek ( Gen 14:19 & Gen 17:5). Even in that lesser sense of being before him ( in the similitude of Melchizedek who is the greater and who was made after the Son of God) being before Abraham.

So when they question Jesus they springboard off of whether he is greater than Abraham and he answers

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Abram's name was changed to Abraham only after he met Melchizedek here

Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

Then further on in Gen 17:5 we see

Gen 17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

When they ask,

John 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

Hebrews 7:4 seems to take up the greatness of Melchizedek (in contrast to Abraham)

Saying...

Heb 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

Then ofcourse if you go back and read the previous verses

Hebrews 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

Even as the lesser is blessed by the greater but also

Hebrews 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

As Jesus Christ is both our righteousness and our peace

Melchizedek is the first to bring forth the bread and the wine...

Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

Jesus likewise before his death with his disciples

Luke 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance me. And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.

Which did shew his death

As it says in Hebrews 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest...

His life was taken from the earth, and is a priest forever

Psalm 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Heb 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

I always loved this too

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

Even as Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine...

Since wine is that which maketh the heart of a man glad

Psalm 104:15 And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine,
and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.

It also says,

Psalm 118:24 This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

Of Christ it is written his goings forth have been from old, from everlasting in Micah

Mic 5:2....whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.


Here's a older post that I posted in ths forum something like 10 years ago if it can be helpful

Melchisedec/Jesus/Son/King/Lord/Priest etc

Peace be unto in Christ Jesus, Took a bunch of my studies and combined the above title into a sort of smorgasboard of verses woven in and throughout this thing. I am trying to combine them in a way they might harmonize with the surrounding verses (as closely as I could). Thats what I do, its an...

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Edited for typos

 

[tonychanyt]

If this (post above) is what you refer to as "FOL"

Actually no. See First-Order Logic and follow up there.

 

[Dahveed]

It does say that Melchezedek was made after the similitude of the Son of God (the high preist to come).
So when they question Jesus they springboard off of the question of whether he is greater than Abraham and he answers
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Hebrews 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

As Jesus Christ is both our righteousness and our peace

Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

Melchizedek is the first to bring forth the bread and the wine..
I always loved this too
John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
As Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine...
Since wine is that which maketh the heart of a man glad

Psalm 104:15 And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.
It also says,
Psalm 118:24 This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

Of Christ it is written his goings forth have been from old, from everlasting in Micah
Mic 5:2....whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

“My servants will eat and drink and will rejoice," Isa 65:14

“See, I create new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.
But be glad and rejoice forever in what I will create." Isa 65:16-18 [created in Christ Jesus Eph 2:10]

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“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life
and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life." John 5:24

 

[tonychanyt]

It does say that Melchezedek was made after the similitude of the Son of God (the high preist to come).

verse?

 

[Dahveed]

“My servants will eat and drink and will rejoice," Isa 65:14

“See, I create new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.
But be glad and rejoice forever in what I will create." Isa 65:16-18 [created in Christ Jesus Eph 2:10]

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“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life
and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life." John 5:24

Actually no. See First-Order Logic and follow up there.

See 2 Cor 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

 

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verse?

Hebrews 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

Hebrews 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

This is speaking of Jesus Christ

Go back earlier in the chapter

Hebrews 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

 

[tonychanyt]

See 2 Cor 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

Can you connect the above with FOL?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

The author of Hebrew, under inspiration, pointed out the preincarnate existence of Jesus as Melchizedek the high priest at the time of Abraham

No. Just that he is :a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek".

 

[tonychanyt]

No. Just that he is :a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek".

Hebrew 7:

17 For it is testified: “You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek."

21 Jesus became a priest with an oath by the One who said to Him:
“The Lord has sworn and will not change His mind:
‘You are a priest forever.’ ”
22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.

Was Melchizekek Jesus?

 

[Dahveed]

Can you connect the above with FOL?

You ought to know if your analytical exercise of fools missed the mark or if you have peace through Christ. (Rom 5:1)

For He Himself is our peace Eph 2:14-20
Now, may the Lord of peace Himself give you peace always in every way. The Lord be with you all. 2 Thess 3:16

 

[tonychanyt]

You ought to know if your analytical exercise of fools missed the mark or if you have peace through Christ. (Rom 5:1)

Let proposition P1 = Christians should never apply First-Order Logic to Scriptures under any circumstance.

True?

 

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Hebrew 7:



Was Melchizekek Jesus?

God had to fulfil that Psalm as Acts 13:33 confirms

Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. (See Psalm 2:7)

Referred to here as well which includes also the role of High priest (after he was begotten from the dead)

Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest

Psalm 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Which was proceeded by

Psalm 110:1 [[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Speaking of after his ressurection and

Hebrews 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

 

[Dahveed]

You ought to know if your analytical exercise of fools missed the mark or if you have peace through Christ. (Rom 5:1)

For He Himself is our peace Eph 2:14-20
Now, may the Lord of peace Himself give you peace always in every way. The Lord be with you all. 2 Thess 3:16

Let proposition P1 = Christians should never apply First-Order Logic to Scriptures under any circumstance.

True?

Do the math my analytical friend, I"ll even indent and highlight in bold for you.

For it's not as though the word of God failed.​

Those who are of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise. Rom 9:6-8
Jesus Christ has become a minister of the circumcision of the truth of God to confirm the promises; Rom 15:8

 

[tonychanyt]

God had to fulfil that Psalm as Acts 13:33 confirms

Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. (See Psalm 2:7)

Referred to here as well which includes also the role of High priest (after he was begotten from the dead)

Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest

Psalm 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Which was proceeded by

Psalm 110:1 [[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Speaking of after his ressurection and

Hebrews 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

So was Melchizedek Jesus?

 

[tonychanyt]

Do the math my analytical friend, I"ll even indent and highlight in bold for you.

For it's not as though the word of God failed.​

Those who are of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise. Rom 9:6-8
Jesus Christ has become a minister of the circumcision of the truth of God to confirm the promises; Rom 15:8

You made a claim. But you want me to do the homework to support your claim?

 

[Dahveed]

Do the math my analytical friend, I"ll even indent and highlight in bold for you.

For it's not as though the word of God failed.​

Those who are of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise. Rom 9:6-8
Jesus Christ has become a minister of the circumcision of the truth of God to confirm the promises; Rom 15:8

You made a claim. But you want me to do the homework to support your claim?

That's not how it works my analytical friend; you gotta do your own homework (For each one of us must give an account Rom 14:11-12).

Diligently, present yourself approved to God, 2 Tim 215 which is your acceptable deed, ....
For God has given each of us a measure of faith. Rom 12:1-5

 

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So was Melchizedek Jesus?

Hebrews 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered

 

[tonychanyt]

That's not how it works my analytical friend; you gotta do your own homework. (For each one of us must give an account Rom 14:11-12)

Let proposition P1 = You made a claim but I have to do the homework to support your claim.

True?