Preincarnate appearances of Christ whose name was wonderfully mysterious

[tonychanyt]

After Jacob wrestled with God in Genesis 32:

27 he said to him, “What is your name?” And he said, “Jacob.” 28Then he said, “Your name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel, for you have striven with God and with men, and have prevailed.” 29Then Jacob asked him, “Please tell me your name.” But he said, “Why is it that you ask my name?”

That might be a preincarnate appearance of Christ. His name was not disclosed.

Many centuries later, before Samson was born in Judges 13:

17 Manoah said to the angel of the LORD, “What is your name, so that, when your words come true, we may honor you?” 18 And the angel of the LORD said to him, “Why do you ask my name, seeing it is wonderful [H6883] ?”

That also might be a preincarnate appearance of Christ. Again, his name was not disclosed.

A few centuries later, Isaiah prophesied Messianically in (Aramaic Bible in Plain English) 9:6

Because the Child is born to us, and the Son is given to us, and his authority was on his shoulder, and his Name was called The Wonder [H6382] and The Counselor, God, the Mighty Man of Eternity, the Prince of Peace [and The Father of Eternity]

With the word "Wonder", Isaiah seemed to link the coming Messiah with the angel of the LORD who spoke to Manoah.

‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭30:4

Who has ascended to heaven and come down? Who has gathered the wind in his fists? Who has wrapped up the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son's name? Surely you know!

Again, there was the mysterious name.

Jesus spoke to Nicodemus in John 3:

12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.

Jesus seemed to be alluding to ascending and descending from heaven in Pro. 30:4.

A good case can be made that Jesus had some preincarnate interactions with some people on Earth. Back then, he ascended and descended from heaven and his name was wonderfully mysterious

 

[sandman]

Do you think He was shy ....?
You are reading into the Word and adding your insight ...Not a good thing to do.

 

[tonychanyt]

Do you think He was shy ....?
You are reading into the Word and adding your insight ...Not a good thing to do.

See Matthew 2:15 quotes Hosea 11:1 out of context? and follow up there

 

[AV1611VET]

A good case can be made that Jesus had some preincarnate interactions with some people on Earth. Back then, he ascended and descended from heaven and his name was wonderfully mysterious

Jesus is in the Old Testament concealed.

And in the New Testament revealed.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

After Jacob wrestled with God in Genesis 32:

That might be a preincarnate appearance of Christ. His name was not disclosed.

Many centuries later, before Samson was born in Judges 13:

That also might be a preincarnate appearance of Christ. Again, his name was not disclosed.

A few centuries later, Isaiah prophesied Messianically in (Aramaic Bible in Plain English) 9:6

With the word "Wonder", Isaiah seemed to link the coming Messiah with the angel of the LORD who spoke to Manoah.

‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭30:4


Again, there was the mysterious name.

Jesus spoke to Nicodemus in John 3:


Jesus seemed to be alluding to ascending and descending from heaven in Pro. 30:4.

A good case can be made that Jesus had some preincarnate interactions with some people on Earth. Back then, he ascended and descended from heaven and his name was wonderfully mysterious

I am a bit surprised at the Aramaic translation of Isaiah 9:6 ( my favorite verse). It is not accurate and veers from the Masoretic Text causing errors. I wouldn't use this translation as it also includes interpretations not found in the Hebrew text.
Blessings

 

[tonychanyt]

I am a bit surprised at the Aramaic translation of Isaiah 9:6 ( my favorite verse). It is not accurate and veers from the Masoretic Text causing errors. I wouldn't use this translation as it also includes interpretations not found in the Hebrew text.
Blessings

I don't dismiss anything. Instead, I weigh the evidence.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Zech 3 is another one of the Christophanies.

 

[tonychanyt]

Zech 3 is another one of the Christophanies.

Can you elaborate? It will save everyone's effort who is reading your post

 

[Always in His Presence]

Can you elaborate? It will save everyone's effort who is reading your post

Zech 3:1 Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to oppose him. 2 And the Lord said to Satan, “The Lord rebuke you, Satan! The Lord who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is this not a brand plucked from the fire?”​

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3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and was standing before the Angel.​

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4 Then He answered and spoke to those who stood before Him, saying, “Take away the filthy garments from him.” And to him He said, “See, I have removed your iniquity from you, and I will clothe you with rich robes.”​

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Zechariah is seeing a prophetic vision of Salvation. Joshua the high priest is standing before a supernatural being first referred to as an Angel of the Lord (a messenger/deputy) and then that same being is referred to as the Lord, who removes his sins. AKA the pre incarnate Christ.

 

[tonychanyt]

Zech 3:1 Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to oppose him. 2 And the Lord said to Satan, “The Lord rebuke you, Satan! The Lord who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is this not a brand plucked from the fire?”​

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3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and was standing before the Angel.​

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4 Then He answered and spoke to those who stood before Him, saying, “Take away the filthy garments from him.” And to him He said, “See, I have removed your iniquity from you, and I will clothe you with rich robes.”​

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Zechariah is seeing a prophetic vision of Salvation. Joshua the high priest is standing before a supernatural being first referred to as an Angel of the Lord (a messenger/deputy) and then that same being is referred to as the Lord, who removes his sins. AKA the pre incarnate Christ.

Interesting. Thanks for elaborating

See also Who is the angel of the Lord? and follow up there.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Interesting. Thanks for elaborating

See also Who is the angel of the Lord? and follow up there.

You’re welcome.

 

[Blade]

There are times when we don't know who that was you know like when your told to take off your shoes.. when you start to worship and "it" does not tell you to stop. But when it says "angel of the lord". That's exactly what it was. Really? You can picture Jesus wrestling? That being said Gen 32 24 there are those (scholars) that do believe it was God proving He has a body and blah blah blah.