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Oh, well, I don't follow the doctrines of men. Just scripture for me.
By Christ - yes
Through Christ - yes
There are many, many yet unfulfilled prophecies regarding the church, Jerusalem, Israel, and the world. It is by/through Christ's sacrifice as well as God's promises that they will be fulfilled.
That's still to be seen.Oh, well, I don't follow the doctrines of men. Just scripture for me.
There are many, many yet unfulfilled prophecies regarding the church, Jerusalem, Israel, and the world. It is by/through Christ's sacrifice as well as God's promises that they will be fulfilled.
That's still to be seen.
What if I told you Christ is considered as Israel?
So why would there be any prophecies relating to Israel? Christ is Israel, they would relate to Christ, now look again at those prophecies, can they not have been fulfilled by Christ?
Oh, well, I don't follow the doctrines of men. Just scripture for me.
By Christ - yes
Through Christ - yes
There are many, many yet unfulfilled prophecies regarding the church, Jerusalem, Israel, and the world. It is by/through Christ's sacrifice as well as God's promises that they will be fulfilled.
Everyone like you says that exact line. Frankly, it's rubbish, everyone in that same swath of fringe Christianity contradict each other. Everyone interprets the scriptures, the difference is whether they interpret it through their own personal background and experiences or if they allow it to be properly interpreted by the Holy Tradition of the one, holy, catholic and apostolic church. The former is folly, the latter is correct.
What's left is Christ's return and the resurrection of the dead, no rapture, no special seven-year period of tribulation that somehow "dwarfs" the last 2,000 years of tribulation and insults the martyrdom of all the saints that have come before, there's not going to be a global thermonuclear war to "inaugurate the end times", nor is the present manufactured state of Israel the same as Israel from the Old Testament.
Instead of isolating yourself from the church proper and immersing yourself in fringe theology that is completely heretical, time would be better spent participating in the Holy Mysteries of the church, prayer and repentance.
You have a horrible Ecclesiology, what is the Church? Why is it the body of believers, if you are to enter into the Church you are to join with them the Body of Christ, no Church is merely earthly, they are the bride of Christ.baloney.
There's no scripture that says I need some earthly church standing between me and God.
You have a horrible Ecclesiology, what is the Church? Why is it the body of believers, if you are to enter into the Church you are to join with them the Body of Christ, no Church is merely earthly, they are the bride of Christ.
baloney.
There's no scripture that says I need some earthly church standing between me and God.
In fact, my Lord and Savior said the opposite:
Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
1Jo 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.
The Scriptures and the Holy Spirit were given to teach us. God never established some earthly institution to stand between man and Himself.
It's obvious why. Any institution that claims to be standing in the place of/doing the work of the Holy Spirit is committing the unforgivable sin - blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Mat 12:31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.
2 Thessalonians 3:6
But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us.
Bigfudge was referring to the Eastern Orthodox Church, of which he is apparently a devout member.
That's absolutely, unequivocally, rubbish.
See? TRADITION.
Holy Tradition, the faith handed down from
Christ to the apostles and from them to their successors on down through the centuries to today.
There's no quicker way to reach heresy than to believe you all by your lonesome are just "taking the Scriptures for what they say".
Scripture is rubbish?
Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
1Jo 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.
The Scriptures and the Holy Spirit were given to teach us. God never established some earthly institution to stand between man and Himself.
Horse hockey. Context is key, there Bigfudge. The Holy Spirit is well-able to teach us and remind us of what Christ said, just as Christ told us He would. How about you quote the scripture that says an earthly Christian denomination called the Eastern Orthodox Church would teach us and remind us of what Christ said?
2 Thess 2:13 But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth. 14 He called you to this through our gospel, that you might share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
16 May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who loved us and by his grace gave us eternal encouragement and good hope, 17 encourage your hearts and strengthen you in every good deed and word.
2 Thess 3:6 In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching you received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, 8 nor did we eat anyones food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9 We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.
No, your interpretation of it is rubbish. Context is key indeed, all those Scriptures point to the Church, the visible Church.
Lonewolfism is how people like Harold Camping come about. All personal interpretation, no proper understanding of the historic faith.
The 2nd Temple was accepted with the Old Covenant and then God destroyed it in 70 A.D.; but prior to that, it became obsolete once Jesus died on the cross. The veil was torn and at that moment, the Holy Spirit no longer dwelt in the temple, nor were any animal sacrifices from that point on accepted. Therefore, a third temple w/ scarifices would actually be an insult to Christ, an abomination to Him when He was/is the once and for all sacrifice. Many temples, mosques, churches are built, but the fact remains, the temple is spiritually composed of the body of Christ.And if the church-as-a-whole temple can currently coexist with all these other temples of God, it will be able to coexist with the future, 3rd-earthly-literal temple building which the scriptures show will exist during the future tribulation of Rev. chs. 6-18/Mt. 24 (Rev. 11:1-2, Mt. 24:15, Dan. 11:31,36, 2 Thes. 2:4), which 3rd temple building will be accepted by God as a valid temple, just as the 2nd temple building was accepted by God as a valid temple, even at the time of Jesus' first coming (Mt. 23:21) and even at the time of the early church (Lk. 24:53, Acts 22:17).
This would also be a contradiction of part of His purpose during the GT, which is to save a remnant of Israel, if not all as the scripture states.
NO physical future temple would be holy, a contradiction --He destroyed it, because it was obsolete! Has God changed and now considers building a new physical temple (which btw, to be holy, He would have to dwell in it and accept sacrifices for an atonement)?For the ultra-Orthodox Jews will build the 3rd temple, and they will offer animal sacrifices in front of it, under the auspices of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (the OCML), which remains holy before God
Israel will be enlightened and their veils lifted and sealed before the destruction starts. If prior to that time of enlightenment, they build a temple, it will not be holy but a dishonor to Jesus!
Rom. 7:12 is speaking of the LAW which is holy! We couldn't keep it, so Jesus fulfilled for us. He fulfilled the requirements of the LAW and blood sacrifice - the one and only and last sacrifice that would be acceptable to God.This isn't to say that the Jesus-denying motives of the ultra-Orthodox Jews will be holy before God, but that the OCML 3rd temple in itself and its animal sacrifices in themselves will be holy before God because the OCML in itself remains holy before God (Rom. 7:12
Is God double-minded? No, He has a covenant with Israel and that covenant will be honored, it is a spiritual covenant and primarily a convenant or salvation soon to come.
Is there a moment in time when the "door is shut" - when no one enters by the blood of Jesus anymore?The 2nd Temple was accepted with the Old Covenant and then God destroyed it in 70 A.D.; but prior to that, it became obsolete once Jesus died on the cross. The veil was torn and at that moment, the Holy Spirit no longer dwelt in the temple, nor were any animal sacrifices from that point on accepted. Therefore, a third temple w/ scarifices would actually be an insult to Christ, an abomination to Him when He was/is the once and for all sacrifice. Many temples, mosques, churches are built, but the fact remains, the temple is spiritually composed of the body of Christ.
This would also be a contradiction of part of His purpose during the GT, which is to save a remnant of Israel, if not all as the scripture states.
NO physical future temple would be holy, a contradiction --He destroyed it, because it was obsolete! Has God changed and now considers building a new physical temple (which btw, to be holy, He would have to dwell in it and accept sacrifices for an atonement)?
Israel will be enlightened and their veils lifted and sealed before the destruction starts. If prior to that time of enlightenment, they build a temple, it will not be holy but a dishonor to Jesus!
Rom. 7:12 is speaking of the LAW which is holy! We couldn't keep it, so Jesus fulfilled for us. He fulfilled the requirements of the LAW and blood sacrifice - the one and only and last sacrifice that would be acceptable to God.
Is God double-minded? No, He has a covenant with Israel and that covenant will be honored, it is a spiritual covenant and primarily a convenant or salvation soon to come.
When the trump sounds and the Son of man appears in all his glory with his angels to judge the living and the dead.
When the trump sounds and the Son of man appears in all his glory with his angels to judge the living and the dead.
probation closes when Jesus starts judging the living that means no one can switch sides so Jesus can start judging them. that date is still unknown to us
Since the Bible says no man shell know the date or the hour how much is acceptable when it comes to predicting His return? Is it OK to predict He come within your lifetime within the next 100 years or should we not try at all?
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