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eclipsenow said in post 220:
Yeah, like all these verses interpreted it 'entire precincts' didn't they?
The original Greek word (hieron, G2411) translated as "temple", as it is used in Matthew 12:6, Matthew 24:1-2, Mark 13:1-3, Luke 21:5-6, Luke 22:52, Acts 3:2, Acts 3:10, Acts 4:1, and Acts 5:24, can include "the entire precincts" of the temple (Strong's Greek Dictionary), which would include the temple's Wailing Wall.
eclipsenow said in post 220:
The context includes them talking about the TEMPLE and it's BUILDINGS . . .
In Matthew 24:1-2, the original Greek word (oikodome, G3619) translated as "buildings" includes "structures" in general (Strong's Greek Dictionary), which would include the temple's Wailing Wall, and not just structures which English speakers would consider to be "buildings".
eclipsenow said in post 220:
Luke 21 shows the disciples were asking about the TEMPLE and it's magnificent stones and decoration.
Luke 21:5-6 can refer to the stones of the entire second temple complex, including its Wailing Wall.
In Luke 21:5, the original Greek word (kalos, G2570) translated as "goodly" (in reference to the temple's stones) can mean "beautiful" (Strong's Greek Dictionary). At the time of Jesus' first coming, the stones of the temple's Wailing Wall could have been quite beautiful, polished to an amazing, gleaming perfection. Compare the disciples' exclamation: "see what manner of stones ... are here!" (Mark 13:1).
In Luke 21:5, the original Greek word (anathema, G0334) translated as "gifts" can refer to "a votive offering" (Strong's Greek Dictionary), which would include prayers, for they can be offered (Hebrews 5:7). And the Greek word is derived from the Greek word anatithemai (G0394), which can mean to "communicate" (Galatians 2:2). Even today Jews stick pieces of paper with prayer requests between the stones of the temple's Wailing Wall hoping that this will help them to communicate with God. At the time of Jesus' first coming, the Jews could have also placed, as gifts to the temple, beautiful plaques of silver and gold inscribed with prayers high up on the wall.
eclipsenow said in post 220:
21 Looking up, Jesus saw rich people putting their gifts into the offering box, 2 and he saw a poor widow put in two small coins. 3 And he said, “I tell you the truth, that this poor widow has put in more than all the rest. 4 For they all, out of their excess, put in their gifts, but she, out of her need, put in everything that she had to live on.”
5 And while some were speaking of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and gifts dedicated to God, Jesus said, 6 “These things that you see—days will come in which there will not be left stone upon stone that will not be thrown down.”
Matthew 24:1-2 and Mark 13:1-3 show that Jesus had exited the temple complex by the time of Matthew 24:1-2 and Mark 13:1-3.
eclipsenow said in post 220:
The lack of sacrifice for the last 2,000 years OF COURSE means the AOD has occurred.
No, for the abomination of desolation itself has to do not with sacrifices, but with something (possibly an android image of the Antichrist) being placed standing in the specific "holy place" (that is, the inner sanctum) part of the temple (Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31), shortly before the Antichrist himself sits there and proclaims himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36).
eclipsenow said in post 220:
27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.
"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate" (Daniel 9:27).
Daniel 9:27's "covenant" refers to a future peace treaty which the Antichrist will "cut" with a false, ultra-Orthodox Jewish "Messiah" (Dan. 9:26a) in Jerusalem, after the Antichrist has defeated this Messiah & his followers (Dan. 11:22-23a).
This treaty will allow this false Messiah & his followers to keep a 3rd Jewish temple which they will have built on Jerusalem's Temple Mount (after destroying the Muslim structures there), & to continue to perform the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices in front of the temple for at least 7 years (Dan. 9:27a), so long as they give up the outer court of the temple (Rev. 11:2a) to the Muslims so the Muslims can rebuild the (by that time destroyed) Al Aqsa Mosque on the southern end of the Temple Mount & resume worship there. After "cutting" this treaty (Dan. 9:26a), the Antichrist could appear before the "many" (Dan. 9:27) nations gathered at the U.N. General Assembly, & "confirm" (Dan. 9:27) that for at least 7 years he'll keep this treaty with the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem, using this as purported proof to the world that he is (in his words) "a man of peace, and no Hitler".
Dan. 9:27's "he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" refers to when, only some 3.5 years after making the peace treaty of Dan. 9:26a,27a/11:23a, the Antichrist will break the treaty, attack the 3rd temple, stop the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices, place the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) in the holy place of the temple (Dan. 11:31, Mt. 24:15), & then sit himself in the temple & proclaim himself God (2 Thes. 2:4, Dan. 11:36). Thus could begin the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year Luciferian (Satanic) worldwide reign of terror (Rev. 13:4-18, 12:9, 2 Thes. 2:9).
eclipsenow said in post 220:
Note that it says AT the temple, not IN the temple.
Not in the original Hebrew.
eclipsenow said in post 220:
. . . nothing in this particular verse requires the AOD to occur IN the temple.
Matthew 24:15 requires that.
eclipsenow said in post 220:
Jesus has JUST compared himself to the temple and that HE would die and rise again, and that this was his body, the temple, dying and rising.
See the "Jesus had just said he was the temple" part of post 215.
eclipsenow said in post 220:
That his death will be in the 'holy place', our place, the place between God and man where sin is burnt out once for all.
The abomination of desolation was not Jesus' death, because the church is commanded to flee Judaea into the mountains when it sees the abomination of desolation (Matthew 24:15-16), whereas the church was commanded to remain in Jerusalem after Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection (Luke 24:49,52, Acts 1:4 to 2:47). The church even continued to worship in the temple (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17).
eclipsenow said in post 220:
The temple was not just defiled, but utterly destroyed
Not its Wailing Wall.
eclipsenow said in post 220:
AD70 completely and utterly over-fulfilled all requirements of the Olivet discourse . . .
It didn't. Just as the highly detailed tribulation events of Rev. chs. 6-18 have never been fulfilled, so the tribulation events of Mt. 24, Mk. 13, and Lk. 21 have never been fulfilled. For example, Lk. 21:24 refers to the same future treading down of Jerusalem by the Gentiles as Rev. 11:2b, during the Antichrist's future, literal 42-month worldwide reign. And Jesus' second coming and the church's gathering together (rapture) in Mt. 24:30-31 (2 Thes. 2:1-8, 1 Thes. 4:15-17) have never been fulfilled, but must occur immediately after the future tribulation of Mt. 24/Rev. chs. 6-18 (Mt. 24:29-31, 2 Thes. 2:1-8, Rev. 19:7-20:6).
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