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Where did that theory come from?
We'd agree that God prefers that we do what's right rather than that which is against his laws. I haven't picked up that anyone here is arguing that it's preferable to do good than to do evil.God wants all men to cooperate.
We'd agree that God prefers that we do what's right rather than that which is against his laws. I haven't picked up that anyone here is arguing that it's preferable to do good than to do evil.
So God caused humanity to fall then, that's great.Exactly...their nature came from God. He forms all of our hearts: Psalm 33:15
Start another thread and I will discuss my belief as to why God does what he does, this is about Predestination not about God's reasoning skills.You're still not addressing as to why God, being Omniscient, decided to put the tree in the garden.
Huh? Are you saying that grace is that which makes us believe?
Exactly...their nature came from God. He forms all of our hearts: Psalm 33:15
You're still not addressing as to why God, being Omniscient, decided to put the tree in the garden.There were several different trees in the Garden two being the tree of Life and the tree of Knowledge. Perhaps you can tell us why Eve picker the tree of Knowledge instead of the tree of life? To answer your question just because God knew what Adam and Eve would do does in no way imply God was the cause of it.Exactly...their nature came from God. He forms all of our hearts: Psalm 33:15
This verse kind of completely destroys your premise of God's supposed guilt in Adam and Eve's sin
James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.
Born Again,
Posted over 100 lines of biblical phrases————what the Pharisees use to do,,,,posted for public consumption and believed quantity was an important factor in loving God……….comes from the TSK, probably
Born Again , has cast away a Golden Ring for a piece of brass ring.
"Born Again" didn't waste time getting the Protestant Bible GNV……….why not the KJV,,maybe has both for a wider interpretation. A good one is referring to Peter as the " Stone" that's a good one,
Peter= Petrus (Latin) related to a rock = Peter ——- stone in Latin is "lapis" nice try.
Many fallen-away Catholics become extremely critical of the religion they abandoned———some where up in that cacophony of Biblical phrases, Born Again becomes rather vicious by referring the Catholic Mass as some sort of satanic rite…..WOW.
i think that mean-spirited accusation is a sign of some undercurrent anger———
AMDG
There were several different trees in the Garden two being the tree of Life and the tree of Knowledge. Perhaps you can tell us why Eve picked the tree of Knowledge instead of the tree of life? To answer your question just because God knew what Adam and Eve would do does in no way imply God was the cause of it.Exactly...their nature came from God. He forms all of our hearts: Psalm 33:15
You're still not addressing as to why God, being Omniscient, decided to put the tree in the garden.
There were several different trees in the Garden two being the tree of Life and the tree of Knowledge. Perhaps you can tell us why Eve picked the tree of Knowledge instead of the tree of life? To answer your question just because God knew what Adam and Eve would do does in no way imply God was the cause of it.
This verse kind of completely destroys your premise of God's supposed guilt in Adam and Eve's sin
James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.
Yes. Thank you.Fact is I choose the GNV because of those like you that tout the KJV is the only true bible. How ever twisting what I said isn't helping your erroneous argument that Peter means anything but a stone because out of Christ own mouth this was this said......
John 1:42 And he brought him to Jesus. And Jesus beheld him, and said, Thou art Simon the son of Jonah: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation a stone. BTW I've fallen away from nothing but in fact became a born again Christian putting off the heresy I was taught as a child by allowing God to lead me to salvation. So please refrain on making foolish and unfounded claims about me.
Yes Scripture recorded Christ as referring to Peter as a stone and in fact renaming him CEPHAS to solidify that fact.
http://biblehub.com/nas/isaiah/45.htmYes. Thank you.
Do you accept that the word "evil" in Isa45:7 means "calamity", and not "evil"?
I think it means God created it - as a possibility.
Otherwise, as a possibility it wouldn't exist.
Evil = rebellion against God.Yes. Thank you.
Do you accept that the word "evil" in Isa45:7 means "calamity", and not "evil"?
I think it means God created it - as a possibility.
Otherwise, as a possibility it wouldn't exist.
That's not what I said. God chooses those who will have Faith in Christ and, therefore, be saved. It is automatic that, as disciples of the Lord, they will want to do right.You mistakenly assume that God chooses which men will do right
No, the act o faith is a free will choice. Grace is what makes us come to the knowledge of who we are and what our intended purpose is in this temporal life. Grace saves us because it is solely the predestined function that God gives us, so there is no choice to how it is apportioned.
That's not what I said. God chooses those who will have Faith in Christ and, therefore, be saved. It is automatic that, as disciples of the Lord, they will want to do right.
Suit yourself then. I thought the explanation/clarification was pretty specific.Semantic evasions.
Suit yourself then. I thought the explanation/clarification was pretty specific.
And the threads on predestination that are currently active have included a number of Bible proofs, so the verbal footstomping ("That's not what the bible teaches...") and denials given in reply don't help the discussion at all. Some of it doesn't even make sense. For example, you say "Jesus tells us that he will draw all men to himself." You may imagine that this means freewill, but you'd better be willing to advocate universalism as well, because that's what a literal interpretation of this verse would require.
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