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Is it possible for someone who believes in salvation through faith and the perseverence of the saints but does not hold to predestination (as our good friend Van over on the Soretology forum) to be truly saved. In other words - they believe that on the basis of their own "will" they chose to believe in Christ and are thus saved. Also - what about those who believe its possible to loose your salvation? Are they really saved?
The reason I ask this question is because I have recently learned that the church that I go to (which is Reformed Baptist) is considering aligning with the "Soverign Grace Ministries" out of Gaithersburgh, MD. What I have read about them on their website is very encouraging - however two things about them have me concerned.
1) They are Charismatic - and do believe in the effectual working of the gifts in this day and age. Though I don't necessarily disagree with this per se - I have yet to find a church that practices the gifts that doesn't abuse them or misuse them....
2) Although they specifically reference TULIP as core to their doctrinal beliefs and display a comprehensive understanding and acceptance of election - I came across a statement in which they basically said it is very possible to be saved and not believe in predestination or in the perseverence of the saints. For some reason the fact that they made this statement bothers me. I'm not sure why. Perhaps its because it leaves the impression that you can have membership in one of their churches even if you don't buy into election. I am also torn in that I have to ask the question how much a person really knows what salvation is if they think they can loose it?
Anyway back to my origonal question - I would appreciate some your thoughts and insight on it.
The reason I ask this question is because I have recently learned that the church that I go to (which is Reformed Baptist) is considering aligning with the "Soverign Grace Ministries" out of Gaithersburgh, MD. What I have read about them on their website is very encouraging - however two things about them have me concerned.
1) They are Charismatic - and do believe in the effectual working of the gifts in this day and age. Though I don't necessarily disagree with this per se - I have yet to find a church that practices the gifts that doesn't abuse them or misuse them....
2) Although they specifically reference TULIP as core to their doctrinal beliefs and display a comprehensive understanding and acceptance of election - I came across a statement in which they basically said it is very possible to be saved and not believe in predestination or in the perseverence of the saints. For some reason the fact that they made this statement bothers me. I'm not sure why. Perhaps its because it leaves the impression that you can have membership in one of their churches even if you don't buy into election. I am also torn in that I have to ask the question how much a person really knows what salvation is if they think they can loose it?
Anyway back to my origonal question - I would appreciate some your thoughts and insight on it.