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You're avoiding my question. Define "author of sin", as you mean it.
that this sin was ordained, ie. decreed or enacted , by God.
My definition of author of sin:
This is contrary to biblical teaching.
If this is not what you mean, what do you mean?
No, that is not your definition, you're trying to trap me by twisting my words in a way that hides your view. You need to answer the question, What is your definition of "author of sin"?
Your words, not mine. Quit dodging the question, and answer it, in your own words.
I'm answering honestly and clearly. I am not trying to trap you, just point out a flaw in your reasoning.
My definition of author of sin:
that this sin was ordained, ie. decreed or enacted , by God.
If this is not what you mean, what do you mean?
Hi Yashualover,
It is actually quite clear don't you think that it is God who draws us unto Him and not the other way around.I know a lot of people don't like that truth as they feel it denigrates them to puppets or robots but then the ego would think at least that wouldn't it, when actually it's far worse than that, were all a lump of clay.
Was the betrayal of Jesus prophesied in the OT? Yes or no.
Did Jesus choose Judas as one of the twelve, knowing that it would be Judas that would betray Him? Yes or no.
Does prophecy deal with certainties, or only potentialities? Yes or no.
Was the Crucifixion, Burial, and Resurrection of Jesus prophesied, or was it only a possibility, left to chance? Yes or no.
When God has prophesied something, does it fail to come to pass?
Each of these questions has a clear answer, and requires no elaboration, or qualification. Simply answer the questions, and we can move on.
Can you do that?
There is a difference between knowing that a person will sin and making a person sin.
Agreed?
Do you believe God makes us sin?
Still dodging the questions, aren't you? But, no, God does not make us sin. I have never said that, and you know it. That is a ridiculous charge. No Calvinist says that.
Now, answer the questions.
So it is clear that this sin was ordained to happen
Here is what you said:
Who ordained this sin if not God? If God ordained it, then God made Judas sin.
You have trouble standing by your own statements, apparently.
Back to the question --- was Judas "ordained to bear fruit that remained"?
You wrote:
I assume you mean that this sin was ordained, ie. decreed or enacted , by God.
This is contrary to biblical teaching.
If this is not what you mean, what do you mean?
Still avoiding the questions, aren't you? why do you avoid them? Are you afraid to answer them? Are you afraid of what is uncovered if you do answer them in accord with scripture?
As for your ridiculous statement that if God ordained Judas' sin, then God "made" him sin, you show an alarming lack of knowledge of how cause and effect work, and how secondary elements are used, both in man's actions, and in God's.
God did not cause Judas to sin. He did not grab him by the scruff of the neck, and "force" him to betray Jesus, with Judas kicking and screaming the whole way in protest and resistance. You cannot possibly credibly believe such a thing. And neither do I.
All men sin because they want to and they choose to, given the opportunity. God prophesied that Jesus would be betrayed. All it took was a man with the right disposition, and the right mindset for that to happen. Jesus knew that Judas met that criteria, and chose him specifically to fulfill scripture, as scripture plainly says.
Therefore, God ordained that Jesus would be betrayed, and Jesus chose the man who would do it. Since the entire scenario of the Crucifixion was fore-ordained before the foundation of the world, the events which led up to it, and those that followed it were likewise ordained, and therefore certain. Jesus, being God, also knew the entire scenario, and lived in the midst of it being played out, exactly as He fore-ordained it. It is ludicrous to think that any part of it was left to chance, to mere random occurrences.
Now, answer the questions I have asked of you, that you are avoiding. Answer them!
Hi Yashualover,
It is actually quite clear don't you think that it is God who draws us unto Him and not the other way around.I know a lot of people don't like that truth as they feel it denigrates them to puppets or robots but then the ego would think at least that wouldn't it, when actually it's far worse than that, were all a lump of clay.
already answered your questions when I said that yes, God knows what will happen, but he doesn't make our decisions for us.
You have failed to answer 10,000 questions on this thread...my "silly" question being one of them chestertonrulesI already answered your questions
AMEN.....spot on MamaZGood try Ben but still Far from truth. For judas did bear the fruit for which he was chosen. He was never saved. He was not chosen to be saved. He was chosen to fulfill scripture. Which he did.
I already answered your questions when I said that yes, God knows what will happen, but he doesn't make our decisions for us.
Calvinists claim God decides who will go to heaven or hell with no regard for our decisions. This is directly contradicted by scripture.
Unconditional election is not biblical.
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