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Predestination and Acts 10:34.

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Your kidding right? This wasn't Pauline theology it was from a direct revelation to Peter. So once again we are left with your maginalizing and trivializing the Apostle's words.

Now who is being obtuse?

Why do you not address Pauline Theology that says we are a;ready righteous, justified, and accepted?

Why don't you address the scripture that says we are already dressed with a robe of righteousness?

God Bless

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DD, it is the works of a person that is judged. I agree that we are not saved/regenerated because of our works, but we are to continue to be obedient to YHWH and his Commandments. Our works are our fruit of our walk with Him.

The whole of the Penteauch qualifies as His commandments, not just the Decalogue.

So you are to continue to obey the Law?

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
(Jas 2:18-24 KJV)

I was wondering when you were gonna bring James' passage about works into this.

What does Paul say?

"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God." -Rom. 5:1-2 (KJV)

James speaks of our works giving us justification in the sight of people for calling ourselves "Christian". If you have no works that witness to you faith, then your faith is highly suspect.

Speaking of James, I happen to agree with Martin Luther:

Though this epistle of St. James was rejected by the ancients, I praise it and consider it a good book, because it sets up no doctrines of men but vigorously promulgates the law of God.

In the first place it is flatly against St. Paul and all the rest of Scripture in ascribing justification to works 2:24). It says that Abraham was justified by his works when he offered his son Isaac (2:20); Though in Romans 4:22-22 St. Paul teaches to the contrary that Abraham was justified apart from works, by his faith alone, before he had offered his son, and proves it by Moses in Genesis 15:6. Although it would be possible to "save" the epistle by a gloss giving a correct explanation of justification here ascribed to works, it is impossible to deny that it does refer to Moses' words in Genesis 15 (which speaks not of Abraham's works but of his faith, just as Paul makes plain in Romans 4) to Abraham's works. This fault proves that this epistle is not the work of any apostle.


But this James does nothing more than drive to the law and its works. Besides, he throws things together so chaotically that it seems to me he must have been some good, pious man, who took a few sayings from the disciples of the apostles and thus tossed them off on paper. Or it may perhaps have been written by someone on the basis of his preaching. He calls the law a "law of liberty" [1:25], though Paul calls it a law of slavery, of wrath, of death, and of sin.
Moreover he cites the sayings of St. Peter [in 5:20]; Love covers a multitude of sins" [1 Pet. 4:8], and again [in 4:10], "Humble yourselves under he had of God" [1 Pet. 5:6] also the saying of St. Paul in Galatians 5[:17], "The Spirit lusteth against envy." And yet, in point of time, St. James was put to death by Herod [Acts 12:2] in Jerusalem, before St. Peter. So it seems that [this author] came long after St. Peter and St. Paul. In a word, he wanted to guard against those who relied on faith without works, but was unequal to the task in spirit, thought, and words. He mangles the Scriptures and thereby opposes Paul and all Scripture. He tries to accomplish by harping on the law what the apostles accomplish by stimulating people to love. Therefore I cannot include him among the chief books, though I would not thereby prevent anyone from including or extolling him as he pleases, for there are otherwise many good sayings in him. Therefore I will not have him in my Bible to be numbered among the true chief books, though I would not thereby prevent anyone from including or extolling him as he pleases, for there are otherwise many good sayings in him. One man is no man in worldly things; how then, should this single man alone avail against Paul and all Scripture.

Luthers Works, vol. 35. pages 395-398.

If people insist that James preaches and teaches men have to "work" to be justified in the sught of God, then I agree with Martin Luther and the book of James should not be in the canon.

Martin Luther said:

But this James does nothing more than drive to the law and its works.

Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
(1Co 3:13-15 KJV)

Also, once again, I will point out that our works are not what we are saved by, that we agree about, but our works of righteousness determine our standing to the covenant we are in.

You ignored several pieces in the scripture you quoted.

Yes, our works will be judged, but judged for what?

"...what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward."

To see what sort it is, and whether or not they will receive a reward.

But...what happens if their works are burnt up?

"If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved;"

Guess what? I'm still saved.

And finally, I will point out once again what Messiah has said.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
(Mat 5:17-19 KJV)

Notice the words of Messiah, whosoever shall do and teach the law and the prophets shall be great in the kingdom of heaven.

Blessings, as we go over the same ideas again.

What God has done for us, Gentiles and indeed the world, on Calvary, should have the same effect the miracles, and the exodus, and other deeds God did in the OT.

They should produce an attitude of gratitude. Thankful the God provided salvatiion for us in Jesus Christ.

An attitude that we want to do this, not because the Law requires it, but because we love Him, love our neighbor, and do it out of thankfulness.

Paul plainly says we are already righteous, and justified by judical decree of God. (cf Rom. 8:33)

And Paul plainly tells us we are "accepted in the beloved". (cf. Eph. 1:6)

Isaiah says:

"I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness," -Isa. 61:10 (KJV)

So who is wrong here? Paul and Isaiah?

Peter is the only one who is correct?

Those things which you put so much stock in, aren't we supposed to be doing already?

Luke says:

"when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do." -Lk. 17:10 (KJV)

You place a lot of stock in Petrine Theology, while place mine in Pauline Theology.

God Bless

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So let's get back to the verses at hand, now that you have admitted that Scripture contradicts itself.

Do you consider the teaching of Peter to contradict the teaching of Paul, as well?

Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
(Act 10:34-35 KJV)
 
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An attitude that we want to do this, not because the Law requires it, but because we love Him, love our neighbor, and do it out of thankfulness.

Hmmm..., when I say this you reject it. I even quoted scripture to this effect.

Paul plainly says we are already righteous, and justified by judical decree of God. (cf Rom. 8:33)

And Paul plainly tells us we are "accepted in the beloved". (cf. Eph. 1:6)

Isaiah says:

"I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness," -Isa. 61:10 (KJV)

So who is wrong here? Paul and Isaiah?

Peter is the only one who is correct?

Those things which you put so much stock in, aren't we supposed to be doing already?

Luke says:

"when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do." -Lk. 17:10 (KJV)

You place a lot of stock in Petrine Theology, while place mine in Pauline Theology.

No, I place mine in the inspired word of YHWH. The entire Canon inspired by one Spirit which gives us the one mind of YHWH. I am glad though that we finally got to the point where you are now admitting that in your hermeneutic scripture contradicts itself. this is very telling.
 
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No, I place mine in the inspired word of YHWH.


No you don't or you would acknowledge what Paul said about us already being declared "righteous" and accepted in Him" and that we are already wearing a "robe of righteousness" as Isaiah says.

I am glad though that we finally got to the point where you are now admitting that in your hermeneutic scripture contradicts itself. this is very telling.

We're not there yet.

Your preaching righteous from works of the Law as Peter says.

I'm preaching righteousness from Jesus Christ as Paul says from a judical decreee from God.

Your preaching one must work for acceptance based on the words of Peter in Acts.

I'm preaching acceptance from the words of scripture from the words of Paul.

You preach righteousness and acceptance by works, I do not.

Charles H. Spurgeon preached:

The Lord has called us beloved who were not so and made us a people who were not a people. But He has not withdrawn a grain of love from Jesus, whom He still calls, “My Elect, in whom My soul delights.” All the infinite love of God still flows to Jesus and then to us in Him. It pleased the Father that to Him a fullness of love should be given, that out of it we might each one receive. Gods love to us is His love to His Son flowing in a hundred channels. For His sake He makes the wedding feast and we are the happy guests who sit at the table. Not for our sakes is this done, but for Jesus’ sake, that so it might be all of Grace. His perpetual acceptance with God is our acceptance—that nothing legal, nothing of which we might boast—might be mingled with the work of Sovereign Grace. We are “accepted in the Beloved.”

But now we are—oh, let me pronounce it like music!—“accepted in the Beloved.” The criminal is now a child! The enemy is now a friend! The condemned one is now justified! Mark, it is​
not said that we are “acceptable,” though that were a very great thing, but we are actually accepted—it has become not a thing possible that God might accept us, but He has accepted us in Christ! Lay this to your soul and may it fill you with delight! The Lord has chosen you—He has received you to Himself and set His love upon you—and His delight is now in you! What a contrast from what you were a season ago in your own consciousness—in your own judgment.
We were chosen of God while in that pitiable condition and, although
forlorn, wretched and ruined, yet were we marked by His electing love—this was still more encouraging. Then came a time of dealing with us and we were pardoned—our transgressions were put away—we were renewed in the spirit of our minds by the Holy Spirit! The righteousness of Christ was imputed to us and, at length, burst forth the light of this Word of God, “He has made us accepted in the Beloved.”​

Being ourselves accepted, the right of access to Him is given us. When a person is accepted with God, he may come to God when he chooses. He is one of those sheep who may go in and out and find pasture. He is one of those courtiers who may come, even, to the royal Throne and meet with no rebuff. No chamber of our great Father’s house is closed against us!

No blessing of the Covenant is withheld from us! No sweet smile of the Father’s face is refused us. He that accepted us gives us access into all blessings. “See, I have accepted you concerning this thing, also.” You remember the story of King Ahasuerus and his poor trembling spouse, Esther—how she ventured in at peril of her life—for if her royal lord and
master did not stretch out the golden scepter, the guards that stood about the throne would cut her down? The queen, royal though she was, dared to come unbidden into the despot’s presence. But today, when you and I come to God, we have no fear of that kind because we are already accepted—He has already stretched out to us the golden scepter and He
bids us come boldly.

All is well between us and Him. We have access with boldness into this Grace in which we stand. And, being accepted, ourselves, our​
prayers are also accepted. Children of God, can you sincerely believe this? Do you not sometimes pray as if you were beggars in the street, pleading with unwilling persons to give you a gratuity of coppers? I believe many children of God do so, but when we know we are “accepted in the Beloved,” we speak to God with a sweet confidence—expecting Him to answer us! To us it is no surprise that our heavenly Father should hear our prayers. He does it so often and so generously that we expect Him to do so always! It is a way of His to hear the prayers of the Well-Beloved.

When unaccepted men pray, they pray unaccepted prayers. But when accepted men plead with God, He says, “In an acceptable day have I heard you, and in a day of salvation have I succored you.” When God delights in men, He gives them the desires of their hearts. Oh, the splendor of that man’s position who is “accepted in the Beloved!” To him the Lord seems to say, “Ask what you will and it shall be given you, not only to the half of My kingdom, but My kingdom, itself, shall be yours—you shall sit with Me upon My throne.” Oh, the blessedness of being “accepted in the Beloved” because the acceptance makes our prayers to be as sweet incense before the Lord! It follows, then, as a pleasant sequence, that our
gifts are accepted, for those who are accepted with God find a great delight in giving of their substance to the glory of His name.


Charles H. Spurgeon, Accepted of the Great Father, Eph. 1:6, Preached on the Lord's Day, July 15, 1883

http://www.spurgeongems.org/vols28-30/chs1731.pdf

I am truly sorry that you don't know this type of acceptance.

I am truly sorry for you that you believe one must "worketh righteousness" to be "accepted of him".

God Bless

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I'm still waiting for your explanation of the Apostle's words. And note your straw manning and false witness. It is expected though.

BTW, have you read through the several posts I made that you haven't commented on? If you had you wouldn't be making statements like you did in the preceeding post.

Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
(Act 10:34-35 KJV)
 
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Now who is being obtuse?

You are.

Why do you not address Pauline Theology that says we are a;ready righteous, justified, and accepted?

I have, you ignored the posts.

Why don't you address the scripture that says we are already dressed with a robe of righteousness?

I have, I never contested such. But you have woefully ignored addressing the words of Peter in the verses that the OP misused.

TYFYT
 
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He shouldn't be arguing that position then. From where I sit as Reformed believer, he is arguing against the believer following the law and doing works of righteousness as the law prescribes The alternative is what he has argued, the law is aborrogated by the work of Christ, which is the classical antinomian argument. BTW, I have posted the Reformed position in this thread.
So far from what I've read, I'm pretty sure he can argue the position he's taking.

If you're both Reformed, feel free to take it up on the main board.

In any event, there are indeed intramural systems which understand this differently. In some cases some intramural advocates have excommunicated another group, such as the situation with the Marrow Controversy and also to Reconstructionist theonomy.

In any event, a check into antinomianism shows some concluded on the importance of law adherence as a result of conversion; some who are concluded that the rules can't include punishments; some who think the entire law has to be handled a different way under the implications of grace. The range is admittedly immense among those who hold the Three Forms of Unity, or the Westminster Confession.

Calling someone within this range "antinomian" clearly underestimates the meaning of that word. The word is "outlaw". That word means no appreciation for the law's practice among Christians; indeed, a rejection of the law.
 
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So let's get back to the verses at hand, now that you have admitted that Scripture contradicts itself.
He didn't. He said, and virtually all of Reformed theology agrees with him, that righteousness and acceptance are radically different under grace than under works.
Do you consider the teaching of Peter to contradict the teaching of Paul, as well?

Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
(Act 10:34-35 KJV)
I'd just point out that if lawkeeping were what Peter meant, clearly Peter's contradicting himself ... "why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?" Ac 15:10

Peter means that some people recognize and heed just actions and do righteous things. That's going to be understood by the Law in some sense, sure. It's not going to be conformity with the law; rather the reverse, the law conforms with works of righteousness.
 
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Read Psalms 119, the law is the lamp on the path of righteousness. The law lights what is the righteous way. The word righteous is a legal term and in itself tells us that a person is in right standing to some standard of law.

"The third use of the Law (being also the principal use, and more closely connected with its proper end) has respect to believers in whose hearts the Spirit of God already flourishes and reigns. For although the Law is written and engraven on their hearts by the finger of God, that is, although they are so influenced and actuated by the Spirit, that they desire to obey God, there are two ways in which they still profit in the Law. For it is the best instrument for enabling them daily to learn with greater truth and certainty what that will of the Lord is which they aspire to follow, and to confirm them in this knowledge; just as a servant who desires with all his soul to approve himself to his master, must still observe, and be careful to ascertain his master’s dispositions, that he may comport himself in accommodation to them. Let none of us deem ourselves exempt from this necessity, for none have as yet attained to such a degree of wisdom, as that they may not, by the daily instruction of the Law, advance to a purer knowledge of the Divine will." Institutes 2:7:12; Calvin
 
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Thank you for this article, I hope you will consider what Calvin teaches in it. Consider:

"Now, let us come to the central theme — the law. When Paul compares Hagar, Abraham’s servant, to Mount Sinai and the law which was given on that mountain, he is not referring to the substance of the law. For the law contains many promises of salvation which were fulfilled in the Lord Jesus Christ; Paul himself declares this in several other passages, as we have already seen. If we take and apply the law in its proper and legitimate usage, we will see it as an incorruptible, life-giving seed, through which God becomes our Father and sets us free. The law only engenders servitude with relation to external issues, as we have discussed before. Our forefathers of old, though they were children of God and heirs of the kingdom of heaven just like ourselves, were under tutors and governors. They were like little children, incomplete until the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. Their ceremonies were like bridles or cords preventing those who observed them from enjoying the liberty that we have today through the Lord Jesus Christ. Yet, when Paul speaks of the law creating servitude, he is speaking here of the way in which the Galatians misapplied the law, for he continues by saying that those who are under such servitude will eventually be banished and excluded from the family and inheritance of God. Thus, although our forefathers lived in servitude with regard to external things, yet they were free; for the Spirit gave them a faith that overcame their bondage, as it says in the eighth chapter to the Romans. Without faith, they would have been cut off from any hope of salvation. To sum up, Paul refers to the law here in this negative way because of the particular interpretation these hypocrites had made of it, corrupting it by reducing it to the observance of petty rules, and by making their observation meritorious. In doing so, they were binding people’s consciences so tightly that they were almost suffocated!"

Calvin consistently teaches that the Law of YHWH is a lamp on the path of righteousness. It is the misapplication of the Law and the lack of faith that causes a person to become lost in his own way.

BTW, I agree with Calvin in this respect as well:

"We will finally reach the inheritance that has been obtained for us at so great a cost, and which we could never have possessed by our own merits."

We can not achieve any degree of righteousness by our own merit. That is why the Law of YHWH is written upon the heart of the regenerated believer. It becomes something that He does in us by enabling us by His Spirit to walk accordingly.

Consider the Apostle's words:

What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
(Romans 9:30-33 KJV)

Israel didn't attain righteousness according to the law because they sought it not by faith but as a work. The law was a stumbling stone to them. But the Spirit filled believer seeks it by faith, knowing that the law is written upon our hearts, we believe upon Him and are therefore able to wolk on the path of righteousness.

Blessings.
 
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Again, lets compare apples to apples, apostle to apostle.

Peter said:

"But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him." -Acts 10:35 (KJV)

Paul said:

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;" -Titus 3:5 (KJV)

Peter said:

"he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him."

Paul said:

"therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness" -Rm. 4:22 (KJV)

Peter said:

"he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him."

Paul said:

"To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved." -Eph. 1:6 (KJV)

Peter said:

"he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him."

Isaiah said:

"for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness," -Isa. 61:10 (KJV)

So why should I work for what I have already attained?

I am righteous, I am accepted, I fear Him, and I have been dressed in a "robe of righteousness".

Nuff said.

Talk to the hand, cause the fae don't wanna hear it.

I'm outta here.

God Bless

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Thanks for that apples and oranges comparision. Peter the apple and Paul the orange.

It is noted that you have avoided explaining the context of Peter's comment by referring to out of context ideas of Paul. It is also noted that your hermeneutic is terribly flawed and leads you to say that the word of YHWH contradicts itself and that the doctrines within His word are, at times, irrational. When something contradicts itself, as does you hermeneutic, it is irrational. And finally it is noted that in your summation of the scripture, you pit Peter and Paul against to make your point closing you mind to anything that you think is contrary to your hermeneutic.

BTW DD, I meant to ask you this earlier, are you a Dispensationalist?
 
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Correct me if I’m wrong, and I’m sure that you will, but doesn’t the doctrine of Predestination teach, in effect, that God chooses who will be His? It’s His choice and no one else’s? Or am I close?

If I said I was no respecter of persons I would probably mean that I was unimpressed by somebody's flashy new sports car, or by their £1,000 a time suits. Similarly, there is nothing we can do to impress God, or to merit salvation. If we are saved, it is by the grace of God alone, and since we can do nothing to impress him, the reason he chooses some, and not others, must remain hidden in his unfathomable will.

That is effectively the doctrine of predestination - the reason for our salvation lies in God alone, and, being omniscient, he has always known whom he would save.
 
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You are a chess player. Your "question" is more of an opening gambit, or rather, I daresay a quibble, really. Like the questioners who came to Jesus to test him.
If you believe the bible, then you cannot avoid the doctrine of election, for it's simply everywhere. You can't explain it away, as by "foreknowledge," for example, for God's foreknowledge is tantamount to his eternal decree. He simply knows what shall be in the universe and its entire history which he spoke into being. He never says, "Oh my. I didn't see that coming."
Re "no respecter of persons." The context of Peter's statement in Ac 10:34 is obviously one of ethnicity. Peter was through-and-through a Jew of his time, and that God was now extending his kingdom to the gentiles was a hard nut for Peter to swallow. Hence the vision. Hence Peter's statement, borne of enlightenment. God is no respecter of persons: He takes no regard of race or nationality. (Col 3:11, etc.) And beyond this immediate contextual sense, neither does he regard other externals that we use to categorize ourselves: In saving or judging a man or woman, he does not regard his birth or social status, his intellect or IQ or cleverness, his personality, his education, or even his prejudices (witness Paul, the arch persecutor of the church).
So, what is left here? Would you ask "on what criteria does God base his sovereign choice in election?" We mere men have no right to ask that. God does not have to give us any reasons for what it pleases him to do. We simply know, and must accept, that it pleased him to save some, at great personal cost to him in the suffering of his Son, when he was under no obligation to save any.
Finally, let me add this: When we chose (a wife, an employee, a player to be on our team, a candidate to vote for), we chose according to what we see in that person. When we chose, we are very much "respecters of persons." For we are finite, flawed, prejudiced, ignorant, limited, and blind to all but what is in front of our noses. Praise God, my friend, for he is not like that at all. He is altogether different, his thoughts are not our thoughts, he is infinite, perfect, all knowing, all wise, free and unlimited. His sovereign decrees and choices are beyond our comprehension, not susceptible to our analysis or critique, and certainly not susceptible to our censure or criticism.
You obviously read your bible. Believe it. It is the book of God, the word of God. For that reason, its teachings are in part mysterious, paradoxical, at the very edge of our feeble wit to fathom. If it were not so it would not be the book of God, of our great and holy and sovereign God and King. Believe it, my friend, and know the full measure of the blessing of such a transcendent Deity, full of lovingkindness and truth. Don't "kick against the pricks" as Paul did before his conversion, but bow the knee to the Alpha and Omega, the Bright and Morning Star, the Prince of Peace, the Everlasting Father, the Great Shepherd, Jesus, our Lord and Savior.
 
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You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. 10But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you. Rom 9:9-11 ESV
 
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