Preaching

[Dead Eye]

Preaching​

God Appoints Prophets to Preach

Neh 6:7 And you have also appointed prophets to preach of you at Jerusalem, saying, There is a king in Judah: and now shall it be reported to the king according to these words. Come now therefore, and let us take counsel together.

The Words of the Preacher

Ecc 1:1 The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.

Preach Good Tidings

Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD has anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

John the Baptist Preaching

Mat 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,

Jesus Preaches

Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Gospel of the Kingdom is Preached

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Gopspel Preached the Poor

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he has sent me to heal the broken hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

The Holy Spirit forbidds Preaching

Act 16:6 Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in As

Paul Preaches the Gospel

Rom 1:15 So, as much as in me is, I (Paul) am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also. ia,

Preachers Sent and Heard

Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? Rom 10:15 And

Preaching the Gospel of Christ

2Co 10:14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the gospel of Christ:

Do Not Preach Another Gospel

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that you have received, let him be accursed.

Christ is Preached

Php 1:18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretense, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

Paul is an Ordained Preacher

1Ti 2:7 Where unto I (Paul) am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

Preaching the Word

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long-suffering and doctrine. 2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Pro 9:16 KJV Whoso is simple (straightforward), let him turn in hither (here to God Prov 9:9-10): and as for him (1Cor 1:18 1Cor 3:19) that wants understanding, she (foolish woman Rev 2:20-24-denominationalists) says to him (deceived Matt 24:4), Pro 9:17 KJV Stolen waters are sweet (Gen 3:6), and bread eaten in secret is pleasant (Prov 20:17). Pro 9:18 KJV But he (deceived) knows not that the dead are there (Luke 11:44); and that her (foolish woman) guests (calling self to preach Isa 28:15 Matt 26:14-16) are in the depths of hell.

Those that Preached the Gospel

1Pe 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Rev 14:6 And I (John) saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the (Tribulation) earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, ? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Paul Preahed the Gospel of Christ

Rom 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I (Paul) have fully preached the gospel of Christ.

The Preaching of Jesus Christ

Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Paul Sent to Preach the Gospel

1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me (Paul) not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us (Christians) which are saved it is the power of God.

Christ Crucified Preached

1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 2Co 10:14 For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you: for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the gospel of Christ:

Preaching without Enticing Words

1Co 2:4 And my (Paul) speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

Preaching the Gospel of Christ with out Receiving Money$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$-Greed

1Co 9:18 What is my (Paul) reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.

 

[Josheb]

Interesting word study of "preach." Is there a specific point of comment or inquiry to be discussed?

 

[Dead Eye]

Interesting word study of "preach." Is there a specific point of comment or inquiry to be discussed?

God appoints preaches, self appointed preachers represent a denomination they have joined,

 

[Josheb]

God appoints preaches, self appointed preachers represent a denomination they have joined,

Preachers in most denominations do not appoint themselves so you've got an internal contradiction contained in that red herring. Aside from the "self-appointed" claim, has the possibility the two are not mutually exclusive conditions been considered?

I'll agree "self-appointed" preachers is an oxymoron.

 

[Dead Eye]

Preachers in most denominations do not appoint themselves so you've got an internal contradiction contained in that red herring. Aside from the "self-appointed" claim, has the possibility the two are not mutually exclusive conditions been considered?

I'll agree "self-appointed" preachers is an oxymoron.

Denominations establish the churches, bible colleges, and missionaries and place selected individuals from their educational structures into certain positions based on their skill sets. I consider this as self appointed denominational leadership.

 

[Josheb]

Denominations establish the churches, bible colleges, and missionaries and place selected individuals from their educational structures into certain positions based on their skill sets. I consider this as self appointed denominational leadership.

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First, denominations do not establish churches, at least not "churches" as defined by scripture. Scripturally speaking, there is and has always been only one Church, and it remains that way regardless of what the marquee out in front of some building says. Denominations establish congregations, not churches. Yes, the words are often misused and abused but if your intent is to argue using misused or abused terms then that is a foundational, fundamental, knock on the floor you're standing-on, root problem that needs to be fixed before proceeding. Everything bult on unscriptural definitions is a seriously and fatally flawed argument. For the sake of this discussion, I hope the wisdom of using correct terms correctly is understood and practiced. Use Capital "C" Church" to refer to the ecclesia, the body of Christ. Use "denomination" or "sect" to refer to institutional groups. Use "congregation" to refer to a local group of people. Only were necessary and only to avoid confusion should the little "c" "church" be used (and then it should be in a manner consistent with scripture, not denomination, doctrinal, or personal points of view.

Second, that a denomination established its own congregations, colleges, and missionaries is 1) scriptural (at least in part), 2) nothing new, and most importantly, 3) a condition that should be measured by scripture because there are both scriptural and unscriptural results that should be correctly parsed and not conflated. In addition to "congregations, colleges, and missionaries" I would add "doctrines." Catholic doctrines, Presbyterian doctrines, Jw, and LDS doctrines are not the same. That does not mean all four are wrong, or than none is correct in any one doctrine or all.

Third, while I cannot speak for all denominations, most denominations do not base placement on skill set, and "calling" is considered. There are exceptions to the rule (R. C. Sproul once anecdotally reported on one of his fellow seminarians being ordained into the presbytery even though he doubted the doctrine of the Trinity). I readily join you in revulsion to that occurrence but the fact remains those are the exception to the rule, not the rule.

Perhaps most importantly for the sake of this conversation 1) I am very pleased to read you defining your terms because it's impossible to have a cogent conversation with two or more people using two or more different definitions of the same words, but 2) you are not the definer of all words, only words as you intend to use them, and 3) we should ALL be using terms as defined in scripture so as not to waste time arguing personal definitions and then, in the end, concluding it is all of very limited veracity and usefulness because the entire discussion had little or nothing to do with scripture and scripture as the authoritative measure of all things .


Does any of that make sense? Does it work for you?


Yes, denominations (and non-denominations) establish their own seminaries. I fully understand and agree. I, personally, have disdain for Dispensational Premillennialism. It's a wretched theology that manages to escape denominational definition (which is one of the conditions that helps its propagation). Dispensational Premillennialism (DP) is perhaps the single leading cause of modern sectarianism. It makes the Protestant Reformation look like a trial run. Dallas Theological Seminary is the leading producer of DPists. Its products (preachers) go out into the Church teaching doctrines that are radically different than anything the Church has historically taught in orthodoxy and their practices are one of the leading causes for outsiders to eschew the gospel. I have an internet friend who feels the same way about Roman Catholicism. I fully understand this op may not be about any one specific denomination or denominational set of doctrines. I post this simply to demonstrate 1) I know something of what you're referring to, and 2) whole-heartedly agree the condition is a problem that can and should be corrected.

God appoints preaches, self appointed preachers represent a denomination they have joined,

Denominations establish the churches, bible colleges, and missionaries and place selected individuals from their educational structures into certain positions based on their skill sets. I consider this as self appointed denominational leadership.

Assuming the amendments I've asserted are amenable, what's next?

• What do you think the correct alternative should be?
• What can be done about the current condition?
• Have you considered the prospect that the current condition is (perhaps paradoxically) exactly as God wishes (at least for a period of time)?
• Do you understand this is a condition that is not new and is something found in scripture, and found in scripture alternatively accepted in part but generally eschewed as a whole?
• There is much more common ground between denominations than differences, and most of the differences are secondary concerns or matter in which scripture (for whatever reason) is not explicitly definitive. We should, therefore, always emphasize the good and godly and never discuss the that which is incorrect in thought, doctrine, or practice, without the good and right context in which that occurs. Church leadership (regardless of denominational or doctrinal affiliation) that teaches otherwise is part of the problem to be solved, not the solution.

If none of the above, then what?