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PREACHING ??? Does the style matter???

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With Joel Osteen being so massive with his popular self help messages.....and other motivational speakers. Will this be the death knell of the likes of Steve Hill and other repentance preachers.

After all, no one wants to repent all the time, right? It gets kind of weary-some. So should we all get some Tony Robbins tapes and find out how to do it.

Joel Osteen or Steve Hill, the choice is yours...or do they compliment each other??:thumbsup:
 

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With Joel Osteen being so massive with his popular self help messages.....and other motivational speakers. Will this be the death knell of the likes of Steve Hill and other repentance preachers.

After all, no one wants to repent all the time, right? It gets kind of weary-some. So should we all get some Tony Robbins tapes and find out how to do it.

Joel Osteen or Steve Hill, the choice is yours...or do they compliment each other??:thumbsup:


If a person follows and Does what Joel preaches they will learn to be a victorious Christian.

I cannot comment on Steve Hill as I have not heard his messages.

What makes a minister successful is the anointing they have received from the Holy Spirit. How they have allowed the Holy Spirit to develop that anointing.
And how obedient they are to the Holy Spirit.:)
 
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I don't care for Joel O. Never have. I mean he's a great motivational speaker but I don't hear him really teach the Bible. I don't watch him anymore.

Rod Parsley on the other hand. He teaches the Bible and he really gets into it. I like the yelling preachers who teach the Word of God.

Marcus Lamb and Perry Stone Jr. are my other favorites.
 
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With Joel Osteen being so massive with his popular self help messages.....and other motivational speakers. Will this be the death knell of the likes of Steve Hill and other repentance preachers.

After all, no one wants to repent all the time, right? It gets kind of weary-some. So should we all get some Tony Robbins tapes and find out how to do it.

Joel Osteen or Steve Hill, the choice is yours...or do they compliment each other??:thumbsup:
Hm, i dont know what self help means in preaching style.
At college we were taught two styles ;)
Exegetical - expository bible based sermons, like this is the passage and this is what we can say it means for us.
Narrative - I will tell you a story to illustrate a point in the

Anyhow, I tend to want to weigh sermons on Scripture and if a sermon doesn't mention verses or have support from the Bible I tend to switch off.
Jaki
 
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After all, no one wants to repent all the time, right? It gets kind of weary-some. So should we all get some Tony Robbins tapes and find out how to do it.

I think it's terribly unfair to compare Joel Osteen, a born again Christian with a very successful ministry to a secular "Motivational Speaker" who aligns himself with known God-haters such as Deepak Chopra.

I've watched a few Osteen programs on the tele and I enjoyed them. The message was about living a Christian life of charity and seizing opportunities to be a blessing. Plenty of scriptures were referenced - incase you think living to serve isn't taught in the bible.

I think it's wonderful that there is an occasional ministry that realizes you can bring people far closer to Christ teaching about how to live like Christ than preaching that everyone is going to hell.

If I hear a preacher start yelling and talking in a "church voice" I leave. I find that type of preaching very insincere and intellectually insulting.

Honestly - do you think Jesus would talk in a "church voice" ?
 
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Honestly i have never sat down and actually listened to Pastor Olsteen, but i do prefer preachers that allow themselves to become overwhelmed with the holy ghost. Some of my favorite ministers and pastors are Bishop T.D. Jakes, Bishop Paul Morton, Pastor Rod Parsley, Prophetess Jaunita Bynum, Bishop Eddie Long and the list goes on and on. When i go to service i want to feel the spirit of the Lord stirred up in his people.
 
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With Joel Osteen being so massive with his popular self help messages.....and other motivational speakers. Will this be the death knell of the likes of Steve Hill and other repentance preachers.

After all, no one wants to repent all the time, right? It gets kind of weary-some. So should we all get some Tony Robbins tapes and find out how to do it.

Joel Osteen or Steve Hill, the choice is yours...or do they compliment each other??:thumbsup:
I can't stand that feel good pat your hand. It is all about you and me service.

Give me the conviction of the Holy Spirit. The shoutin. The laughin. The outspoken move of the Holy Spirit.
 
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I personally LOVE Joel Osteen (and others like him) because I think he teaches the Word (yes, he does use scripture) in a way that exhibits the fruit of the Spirit which includes love, joy, peace, GENTLENESS, meekness, and kindness. He "draws" people to Christ, he doesn't browbeat them.

As I recall, when people in the Bible wanted to hear a bunch of yelling, they were reminded that God speaks in a still, small voice. And doesn't the Word say it is the KINDNESS of God that leads us to repentance?

I can't STAND T.D. Jakes' style or any of the other "screamers". They scream so loud I can't hear what they say, if you know what I mean. Their antics are just too distracting for me.

Our lives should be the message, not just our voices. I wonder how many times Mother Teresa screamed at people? And yet her message touched millions. And what about Billy Graham? He's lead millions to Christ and while he CAN be emphatic and very concerned about people, I don't recall him ever screaming and turning red and shouting AT them.

While it's true a father can get his kids to mind him by hollering at them, I think it's the tender, loving moments he spends with them that makes them love him. And we all know Our Heavenly Father is the BEST father there is!
 
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I watched a documentary on Billy Graham, and he too had one thing going in his sermon style that I think is awesome. He speaks the gospel.
Every time he opened his mouth. To world leaders, to poor people - what comes out is the Gospel of Christ.

I aspire that my voice might be of use for Christ. I guess for me I love to hear a preacher share the gospel.
I have never heard the two, i meant to say that before, so I can't really make any comparison.
Jaki
 
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I can't stand that feel good pat your hand. It is all about you and me service.

Give me the conviction of the Holy Spirit. The shoutin. The laughin. The outspoken move of the Holy Spirit.
I dont knock any ministers style of delivering the word of God, some people like the teaching style that ministers to their spirit and then their are people such as my self that enjoy the pouring out of the spirit through the man of god. I guess its completely a personal preferance as to what each person likes.
 
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The local pastor is your best example of what is expected.
Look at it from his perspective, he has 52 sermons per year;

he has one that talks about getting saved
he talks about getting baptized
he talks about sharing the word
he has to talk about heaven
he has to talk about hell
" "tithing
" "the crucifiction...

What will he do the rest of the year?
If he is a preacher with only one message, he's gonna have problems.
If he doesn't control his voice, how will you know when something important is said?
If he doesn't know how to inspire, he will only learn to abuse his flock.

There's not much of a difference between a teacher and a preacher, they both deal with concepts.

A teacher will concentrate on the fundamental aspects of biblical doctrine.

A pastor can plan what he will do and choose when to challenge the flock.

An evangelist will deal with the here and now.

A prophet is a preacher with God's perspective, he can explain the past, understand the present and inspire with the future, the last thing he does is pronounce things.

The bible establishes that the prophet was subjected to the king, there can't be a conceptual conflict between the pastor and a prophet.

The best way to define a sermon is to follow the examples set in scripture.
The best way to deal with gifts is to learn the rules that apply to each gift.
 
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I think it's wonderful that there is an occasional ministry that realizes you can bring people far closer to Christ teaching about how to live like Christ than preaching that everyone is going to hell.
I agree.

[FONT=&quot]“Preach the Gospel always and if necessary use words.” -- St. Francis of Assisi
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If I hear a preacher start yelling and talking in a "church voice" I leave. I find that type of preaching very insincere and intellectually insulting.

Honestly - do you think Jesus would talk in a "church voice" ?
Nothing turns me off more than preachers who yell. Some people need cheerleaders, and that's fine... for them. What I need is teaching, and I'm very happy that my pastor is an excellent teacher.

Perry Stone is one of my favorites, and the reason why is that all his messages are so dense with new information. I want to learn something new every time I hear a sermon, not hear the same old same old rehashed in a loud voice.
 
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The important is to preach with the power of the Holy Spirit

Amen JeyJack, That's the important thing, because when we are under the unction of the Holy Spirit, it's not us, but it's HIM thru us! When it is Him thru us, then people get rhema[a right now Word] for their situation, encouragement, cicumstance, etc.
 
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I'm not real familiar with either but have heard Joel on TV a few times.

What is disturbing is the lack of understanding about how the Body works. It isn't about what our flesh likes. If you are going by what your flesh likes to hear by style, then you aren't getting all you can from God's ministers who are there to equip the saints.

Joel doesn't preach. That's ok, he's not anointed to. Not everyone in the Body, even ministers, need to preach. The anointing to preach is different to the anointing to teach. When someone is anointed to teach, they expound on the Scripture in a manner to explain things to the audience. When someone preaches, they are proclaiming faith in the Word to get in your spirit, as faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. But how can they hear unless someone preach - and how can someone preach unless he is sent?

Even within teaching and preaching, which are too different functions to equip the saints, (or preaching evangelistic messages are for the lost), there are many different styles that different anointed men of God can have.

Thank God for all the different styles, because as immature as many believers are today, if they don't hear it like they want it to come across their soft ears, they won't listen. God is merciful to give the different styles so such people can have someone to listen to that will tell them the truth of the Word of God and they'll receive it.

If you don't receive truth coming out of someone's mouth over style, I tell you truly, you have a lot of spiritual growth to go through. That is not a put down - we all start as babes. And we all have to grow up. If we don't like hearing that, well...pride. Repent.

I don't like Joel's style necessarily, and I don't like the patty cake around messages that never confront, as the flesh does need to be confronted and we do need to take up our crosses and die to self a little more daily. But, I haven't heard lies come out of his mouth either. Therefore, I'm not going to disregard the truth of the Word that he speaks, because he talks softly and doesn't ever preach. Many I know including myself do both - depending on the anointing that comes on us at the time. Sometimes I preach, sometimes I teach, and at different times doing those, my delivery may be different.

The key is letting the Spirit move us, rather than doing what we like and are comfortable with in the flesh. I personal like any speaking, loud and preachy, or soft and teaching, that is anointed to aid my life in Messiah. The only speaking from ministers I don't like is that which is dry and has no Holy Ghost anointing on it. That is just a waste of time.

Comparing ministers isn't a good idea either. It becomes "I follow Apollos," and "Oh yeah, well I follow Paul! nah!" things, which Paul rebukes in the Scripture. We aren't to be following men other than as they follow Messiah. We have one Shepherd, one chief Apostle, one High Priest of our faith.

One thing I won't do is get my tongue on his anointed ministers, something God hates. I'm not going to speak against any of the gifts in the Body. I don't have to like all styles, but I sure better guard my tongue when I get to speaking against others. I'm not even to speak against my enemies. I'm to love them, bless them, and pray FOR them.

One of the great sins in the Body is that of the tongue.
 
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