Preachers supporting Israel

[truthpls]

All the numbers of civilian casualties from palestinian sources are not trustworthy because they come from Hamas controlled authorities. Hamas does not care about civilians and they use all means available to accomplish their goal of eliminating Israel. These means include using civilians at human shields by using hospitals and civilian infrastructure for military purposes, making world judge Israel by drawing fire to their own civilians.

Similarly Palestinians stage and film situations where men run and carry dead children and show bodies. It is all to use all available means to make other countries judge Israel and stop supporting Israel. Just compare the videos for Ukraine bombing videos. Why Palestinian footage has only men and the setup is always very similar?

Anything that comes from a source that is sworn to destroy the other party with no moral boundaries, it cannot be trusted at all.

I think both sides get lost in the fog of war as far as the truth being a casualty. One side is killing killing killing civilians now. What sort of madness is that?

Jews are Gods chosen people and the devil hates them more than anything.

They are not believers and not chosen right now to have that land. They will only be restored by God after they accept Jesus in the end. God does not bless disobedience and rejection of Jesus. Period. They were chosen and will again be His people (the remnant left alive in the end) Until then they are a secular nation killing children He loves.

That is why there is so much false news on the subject and it fools even many Christians.

No there is also lies from Israel. What believers are fooled by is some false notion that Christ rejecting Israel today is somehow better than anyone else.

Jesus love the little children. The oppressors and murderers and warmongers He will visit soon enough and they will face His wrath

 

[Aussie Pete]

Many preachers are gung ho supporting Israel as if God supports the killing of civilians in Gaza. My opinion is that Israel is now in unbelief and rebellion against God, and will not be eligible for the blessing and protection of God until they get saved in the end. So I find is shameful that otherwise excellent preachers support terrorism and mass murder from Israel. Maybe someone can defend them?

I find it shameful that Christians oppose a nation defending itself against Muslim terrorists who follow the religion of a mass murdering paedophile. If it was any nation but Israel, no one would bat an eyelid over what is going on in Gaza. And you still have no answer as to how Israel defends itself. I don't know where you live, but it is obvious that you are not subjected routinely to murderous assaults by your neighbouring country. Perhaps you have forgotten who started the war. Do you recall Hamas telling civilians that they should get out of the way of their assaults? Hamas deliberately attacks civilians. They murdered whole families by firebombing them. One captive said that they heard the voice of children crying. They fired until there was silence. You are not dealing with normal human beings.

Forget that it is Israel at war. This is one country defending itself against another. Now come up with a solution to the problem.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Both sides are wrong and it all amounts to retaliatory attacks.

Well, if we understand the situation, Hamas carried out a horrible, inhuman, and evil attack that amounts to many instances of war crimes. Israel responded in what I would consider a (relatively) measured response. The whole point of having a strong military is not to wage war but to prevent it. This was the US strategy for decades. "If you attack us, we will crush you into dust, so Don't attack us!"
Hamas did not take Israel's power and will to survive seriously and stupidly attacked the Jewish state with an absurdly ineffectual and fruitless act of war. Now, they are paying the price. If nations do not respond to these sorts of attacks, it will be taken as a sign of weakness and encourage their enemies to attack again. Why not if there are no repercussions for the action?

 

[truthpls]

I find it shameful that Christians oppose a nation defending itself against Muslim terrorists who follow the religion of a mass murdering paedophile.

Blowing up children is not defending yourself in any sane sense of the word

If it was any nation but Israel, no one would bat an eyelid over what is going on in Gaza.

No, any terrorist act like that would be condemned.

And you still have no answer as to how Israel defends itself.

Not my problem. How does any nation defend themselves? I would think getting along with neighbors is a must. Not killing them and leaving them in prison camps. How about restoring all lands of people who were forced to leave in the 1940ies? That might be a start.

I don't know where you live, but it is obvious that you are not subjected routinely to murderous assaults by your neighbouring country.

No babies attacked the nation I reside lately. On the contrary, Canada kills untold thousands of babies each year.

Perhaps you have forgotten who started the war.

Babies? Children?

Do you recall Hamas telling civilians that they should get out of the way of their assaults? Hamas deliberately attacks civilians.

That is bad and why it is also bad when Israel does it

They murdered whole families by firebombing them.

Look who's talking when you defend the slaughter in Gaza!

One captive said that they heard the voice of children crying. They fired until there was silence. You are not dealing with normal human beings.

The liars making up such stories you mean?

Forget that it is Israel at war. This is one country defending itself against another. Now come up with a solution to the problem.

They are mass murdering civilians. Calling that a defense is diabolical

 

[ralliann]

Many preachers are gung ho supporting Israel as if God supports the killing of civilians in Gaza. My opinion is that Israel is now in unbelief and rebellion against God, and will not be eligible for the blessing and protection of God until they get saved in the end. So I find is shameful that otherwise excellent preachers support terrorism and mass murder from Israel. Maybe someone can defend them?

Why are you defending terrorists that are also in unbelief. God is a God of Justice. Is Raping children just?

 

[truthpls]

Why are you defending terrorists that are also in unbelief. God is a God of Justice. Is Raping children just?

Why are you calling defending children from being ruthlessly mass murdered 'defending terrorists'?

 

[ralliann]

Why are you calling defending children from being ruthlessly mass murdered 'defending terrorists'?

What children are you talking about? The ones being held by Hamas as a sheild?

 

[Aussie Pete]

Blowing up children is not defending yourself in any sane sense of the word

No, any terrorist act like that would be condemned.


Not my problem. How does any nation defend themselves? I would think getting along with neighbors is a must. Not killing them and leaving them in prison camps. How about restoring all lands of people who were forced to leave in the 1940ies? That might be a start.

No babies attacked the nation I reside lately. On the contrary, Canada kills untold thousands of babies each year.

Babies? Children?

That is bad and why it is also bad when Israel does it

Look who's talking when you defend the slaughter in Gaza!

The liars making up such stories you mean?

They are mass murdering civilians. Calling that a defense is diabolical

Getting along with neighbours who have sworn to destroy your nation? Who worship a mass murdering paedophile and Satan? What would Canadians do if the USA decided to attack? Site back and welcome them as liberators? How about if Americans fired missiles continually from schools, private homes, hospitals and offices? You think it could never happen? America drew up plans to invade Canada in the 1930's. It was called the War Red plan. Obviously it never was implemented. But never say never.

You plainly know nothing of the history of so called Palestine. In the 1940's, it was British controlled. No one was forced to go anywhere. The British tried to prevent Jews from migrating to Israel. The UN plan was for a sovereign Israel and a sovereign Palestine. 5 Arab nations prevented this from happening. They advised Arabs living in Israel to leave in order to make destroying Israel easier. They left voluntarily. Do you know that 25% of Israel's population is Arab? Most of those are Muslims.

What should have been Palestine became Jordan. The Arab nations are responsible for the mess and still they refuse to acknowledge Israel's right to exist. Only Egypt truly accepts Israel's statehood. You should learn some history and find out what really goes on before commenting.

Israel is not mass murdering civilians. The butchers are Hamas and their ilk. Do you not know that dying for Islam is supposedly a ticket to paradise? These brainwashed psychos are not normal people. Too many of the current generation are clueless, worse, you can't tell them anything. They prefer lies to truth

 

[truthpls]

Getting along with neighbours who have sworn to destroy your nation?

Yes. All the more reason!

Who worship a mass murdering paedophile and Satan?

Their religion is not the issue when their civilians are being killed en masse. Ask yourself about the religion of those who are doing that!? Obviously they do not have the love of God in them.

What would Canadians do if the USA decided to attack? Site back and welcome them as liberators?

We have something called the Canadian winter. It kept them back so far.

How about if Americans fired missiles continually from schools, private homes, hospitals and offices? You think it could never happen? America drew up plans to invade Canada in the 1930's. It was called the War Red plan. Obviously it never was implemented. But never say never.

Then that would be evil also.

You plainly know nothing of the history of so called Palestine. In the 1940's, it was British controlled. No one was forced to go anywhere.

That is not what wiki says.

The British tried to prevent Jews from migrating to Israel. The UN plan was for a sovereign Israel and a sovereign Palestine. 5 Arab nations prevented this from happening. They advised Arabs living in Israel to leave in order to make destroying Israel easier. They left voluntarily. Do you know that 25% of Israel's population is Arab? Most of those are Muslims.

Not what wiki says. It says they were pressured and forced

What should have been Palestine became Jordan. The Arab nations are responsible for the mess and still they refuse to acknowledge Israel's right to exist. Only Egypt truly accepts Israel's statehood. You should learn some history and find out what really goes on before commenting.

"In 1948, more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs – about half of prewar Mandatory Palestine's Arab population – fled from their homes or were expelled by Zionist militias[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] during the 1948 Palestine war,[9] following the Partition Plan for Palestine. The expulsion and flight was a central component of the fracturing, dispossession, and displacement of Palestinian society, known as the Nakba.[10][11] Between 400 and 600 Palestinian villages were destroyed. Village wells were poisoned in a biological warfare programme and properties were looted to prevent Palestinian refugees from returning.[12][13] Other sites were subject to Hebraization of Palestinian place names.[14] These activities were not necessarily limited to the year 1948.[15]

- The causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus are also a subject of fundamental disagreement among historians. Factors involved in the exodus include Jewish military advances, destruction of Arab villages, psychological warfare, fears of another massacre by Zionist militias after the Deir Yassin massacre,[19]: 239–240  which caused many to leave out of panic, direct expulsion orders by Israeli authorities, the demoralizing impact of wealthier classes fleeing,[20] the typhoid epidemic in some areas caused by Israeli well-poisoning,[21] collapse in Palestinian leadership and Arab evacuation orders,[22][23] and a disinclination to live under Jewish control.[24][25]"

1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Israel is not mass murdering civilians.

False. Obviously they are

The butchers are Hamas and their ilk.

No, Israel killed the 12000 or whatever the number of civilians is. Face it

Do you not know that dying for Islam is supposedly a ticket to paradise?

So what? That is no excuse to execute children

These brainwashed psychos are not normal people.

Says you. Sorry but I wonder about folks that support the terrorism in Gaza by Israel. Especially if they claim to be Christian.

Too many of the current generation are clueless, worse, you can't tell them anything. They prefer lies to truth

Maybe they still know the difference?

 

[truthpls]

What children are you talking about? The ones being held by Hamas as a sheild?

"At least 14,800 Palestinians — mostly women and children — in Gaza have been killed"

https://www.axios.com/2023/11/27/gaza-civilian-deaths-israel-conflict-zones

 

[Aussie Pete]

Yes. All the more reason!

Their religion is not the issue when their civilians are being killed en masse. Ask yourself about the religion of those who are doing that!? Obviously they do not have the love of God in them.

We have something called the Canadian winter. It kept them back so far.

Then that would be evil also.

That is not what wiki says.

Not what wiki says. It says they were pressured and forced

"In 1948, more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs – about half of prewar Mandatory Palestine's Arab population – fled from their homes or were expelled by Zionist militias[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] during the 1948 Palestine war,[9] following the Partition Plan for Palestine. The expulsion and flight was a central component of the fracturing, dispossession, and displacement of Palestinian society, known as the Nakba.[10][11] Between 400 and 600 Palestinian villages were destroyed. Village wells were poisoned in a biological warfare programme and properties were looted to prevent Palestinian refugees from returning.[12][13] Other sites were subject to Hebraization of Palestinian place names.[14] These activities were not necessarily limited to the year 1948.[15]

- The causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus are also a subject of fundamental disagreement among historians. Factors involved in the exodus include Jewish military advances, destruction of Arab villages, psychological warfare, fears of another massacre by Zionist militias after the Deir Yassin massacre,[19]: 239–240  which caused many to leave out of panic, direct expulsion orders by Israeli authorities, the demoralizing impact of wealthier classes fleeing,[20] the typhoid epidemic in some areas caused by Israeli well-poisoning,[21] collapse in Palestinian leadership and Arab evacuation orders,[22][23] and a disinclination to live under Jewish control.[24][25]"

1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

False. Obviously they are

No, Israel killed the 12000 or whatever the number of civilians is. Face it

So what? That is no excuse to execute children

Says you. Sorry but I wonder about folks that support the terrorism in Gaza by Israel. Especially if they claim to be Christian.

Maybe they still know the difference?

Palestinians in this country recently protested, chanting "Gas the Jews". You might like them living next door to you. Where is the nearest mosque to you? You may find out the truth sooner than you think.

 

[truthpls]

Palestinians in this country recently protested, chanting "Gas the Jews".

That is a broad generalization. Some seem to just want the killing to stop as well, no?

You might like them living next door to you. Where is the nearest mosque to you? You may find out the truth sooner than you think.

I don't share your paranoia about all Muslims, sorry. Lots of them are great people, just as lots of Jews are great people. In Canada many Muslims have raised a voice against the gender agenda in schools and government, joining with Christians. Many Christians and other people also agree that the slaughter of civilians in Gaza is a horrible crime against God and humanity. Perhaps if one were advocating such violence and oppression and terrorism one might have something to fear from some Muslims. Not my worry

 

[Aussie Pete]

That is a broad generalization. Some seem to just want the killing to stop as well, no?

I don't share your paranoia about all Muslims, sorry. Lots of them are great people, just as lots of Jews are great people. In Canada many Muslims have raised a voice against the gender agenda in schools and government, joining with Christians. Many Christians and other people also agree that the slaughter of civilians in Gaza is a horrible crime against God and humanity. Perhaps if one were advocating such violence and oppression and terrorism one might have something to fear from some Muslims. Not my worry

You could be taking a walk down the street and a random Muslim attack you with a knife. It's already happened in a number of places. The excuse is that the attacker has a mental illness. If that is so, then Islam makes people mentally ill. I know of no other (un)holy book that advocates killing Christians and Jews and promises paradise to murderers.

Not all Muslims are terrorists. The vast majority of terrorists are Muslims. No one in their right mind wants the innocent to suffer. Israel is doing what it can to stop the innocent being hurt. Did you know that they have given out a grid map of where they plan to attack Hamas next? No military does that.

I lived briefly, as a child, in Yemen. It went from a destination for tourist ships to a hell hole in a few years. You guessed it, courtesy of Muslims. Islam is toxic, and the world will bitterly regret allows its spread into the non-Muslim nations.

 

[truthpls]

You could be taking a walk down the street and a random Muslim attack you with a knife. It's already happened in a number of places. The excuse is that the attacker has a mental illness. If that is so, then Islam makes people mentally ill. I know of no other (un)holy book that advocates killing Christians and Jews and promises paradise to murderers.

Or in an apartment that some terrorist blows up. Etc

Not all Muslims are terrorists. The vast majority of terrorists are Muslims.

Except that you do not call the ones blowing up apartments and ambulances and fleeing refugees and children terrorists. Therefore the word loses all meaning and is just something you seek to apply to those you choose to pin it on

No one in their right mind wants the innocent to suffer. Israel is doing what it can to stop the innocent being hurt.

False.

Did you know that they have given out a grid map of where they plan to attack Hamas next? No military does that.

Anyone the believes a word they say might be making a deadly mistake.

I lived briefly, as a child, in Yemen. It went from a destination for tourist ships to a hell hole in a few years. You guessed it, courtesy of Muslims. Islam is toxic, and the world will bitterly regret allows its spread into the non-Muslim nations.

Those who do not want civilians mass murdered in Gaza do not care what religion they are for the most part I would think.

 

[Pekka]

Or in an apartment that some terrorist blows up. Etc

Except that you do not call the ones blowing up apartments and ambulances and fleeing refugees and children terrorists. Therefore the word loses all meaning and is just something you seek to apply to those you choose to pin it on

False.

Anyone the believes a word they say might be making a deadly mistake.

Those who do not want civilians mass murdered in Gaza do not care what religion they are for the most part I would think.

Problem is that you have been tricked by sources that are against Jews and not truthful. Go look this YouTube channel. They are born-again Christian’s and serve the truth:

 

[truthpls]

Problem is that you have been tricked by sources that are against Jews and not truthful. Go look this YouTube channel. They are born-again Christian’s and serve the truth:

People that support the wholesale murder of children do not represent Jesus no matter what tee shirt they wear actually.

 

[Pekka]

People that support the wholesale murder of children do not represent Jesus no matter what tee shirt they wear actually.

Again your problem is that you base your truth on Hamas lead and antisemitistic sources.

Ok let’s forget this kind of sources. Better than believing other people or Hamas sources is to believe God Himself and what bible says. Did you read your bible or are you basing your truth on human sources? In bible God makes it very clear that Israelites are his chosen people, the Apple of His eye. They are His flock, He is the hen mother who will take them under His wing. He says that those who bless Israel will be blessed by God and vice versa.

They are also stubborn, hardheaded people capable of evil same as us but God chose them and He is loyal.

 

[truthpls]

Again your problem is that you base your truth on Hamas lead and antisemitistic sources.

No, the whole world knows that civilians are being terrorized and bombed in Gaza. You seem to think that there are only two sources for news, the IDF and the rest of the world. No

Ok let’s forget this kind of sources. Better than believing other people or Hamas sources is to believe God Himself and what bible says. Did you read your bible or are you basing your truth on human sources? In bible God makes it very clear that Israelites are his chosen people, the Apple of His eye. They are His flock, He is the hen mother who will take them under His wing. He says that those who bless Israel will be blessed by God and vice versa.

They are like we are when we believe in Jesus. They will be given another chance in the end to accept Him and the survivors will do so. Then and only THEN will they be brought to the land and protected. They got there another way any time before that. They are not chosen in the sense that they can reject Jesus any more than anyone else on earth. Period. They are chosen because He chose to make a people long ago. He also chose to drive them from that land. He also chooses that WHEN they believe in the end (or if any individual Jews believe any time before) that they THEN will be His people and protected etc. They have NO claim on that land today and no claim as unbelievers in Jesus on that land today.

They are also stubborn, hardheaded people capable of evil same as us but God chose them and He is loyal.

Yes He chose them and told them to obey and believe or face consequences. They will be given (yet) another chance in the time of Jacob's trouble coming. Meanwhile they are in unbelief and do NOT represent the love of God and Jesus at all to say the least

 

[JosephZ]

I lived briefly, as a child, in Yemen. It went from a destination for tourist ships to a hell hole in a few years. You guessed it, courtesy of Muslims.

Who was responsible for Yemen being a destination for tourist ships? Yemen has been an Islamic country for centuries.

 

[Pekka]

No, the whole world knows that civilians are being terrorized and bombed in Gaza. You seem to think that there are only two sources for news, the IDF and the rest of the world. No

They are like we are when we believe in Jesus. They will be given another chance in the end to accept Him and the survivors will do so. Then and only THEN will they be brought to the land and protected. They got there another way any time before that. They are not chosen in the sense that they can reject Jesus any more than anyone else on earth. Period. They are chosen because He chose to make a people long ago. He also chose to drive them from that land. He also chooses that WHEN they believe in the end (or if any individual Jews believe any time before) that they THEN will be His people and protected etc. They have NO claim on that land today and no claim as unbelievers in Jesus on that land today.

Yes He chose them and told them to obey and believe or face consequences. They will be given (yet) another chance in the time of Jacob's trouble coming. Meanwhile they are in unbelief and do NOT represent the love of God and Jesus at all to say the least

Please read your bible. You need to study bible from cover to cover if you want the truth. Bible tells you what Israel people are to God and gives you understanding what this whole conflict is about. Don’t believe what people say because “whole world knows”. Youtube and internet is full of “whole world knows” facts that make you believe anything you want.