Pre-Tribulation Rapture Refuted with Scripture

[Messenger 3k]

Sounds like the makings of a thread......oh wait.....there is one:

Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament

I find this person's view concerning the "allusions" found in the book of Revelation that are found in the Old Testament/Covenant rather fascinating.
Would anyone like to put down verses from Revelation and the verses from the OT/OC that are "alluded" to? I think that would be enjoyable and edifying. Thanks

THE SYMBOLISM IN BOOK OF REVELATION

One man studied and found 348 allusions (not illusions, Light) in Revelation from the Old Testament. You see the similarity in wording and the context mirrored in Revelation and the particular Old Testament story, and immediately can recognize the reference source!
That's IF you know the bible well enough to even notice that.

95 of the 348 plain references used in Revelation as taken from the Old Testament are repeated in Revelation.
That makes about 250 Old Testament passages are cited. How many chapters are in Revelation? 22. That makes about TEN OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCES FOR EVERY CHAPTER!

Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Books in Daniel Daniel 7:9 and 11:10.
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Cried and joy Temple/City: Ezra 3:12,13 and Reve 18:18, 19:4
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Ear to hear: Isaiah 6:9,10 and Matt 13:15, Reve 2,3,13
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Holy Holy Holy Isaiah 6:6 and Revelation 4:8
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Jericho, Priest and Trumpets: Joshua 6:4, Hebrews 11:30, Matt 24:31, Reve 8:6
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Lift hands to heaven and swore..: Daniel 2:7 and Reve 10:5
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Light Revelation to Israel and Nations: Isaiah 9:2, Luke 2:32, Reve 1:1
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Moses and Elijah, fire falling, as is also seen in Revelation.
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Moses and Elijah
https://www.christianforums.com/thr...om-old-testament.7588850/page-6#post-73140020
Mountain of fire cast into Sea
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Pierced: Zech 12:10 and Reve 1:7
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Sacrifice/Supper of God: Ezek 39:17 and Reve 19:17
https://www.christianforums.com/thr...om-old-testament.7588850/page-6#post-72893026
Sanctuary/Tabernacle filled with smoke
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
https://www.christianforums.com/thr...ion-from-old-testament.7588850/#post-58432014
Silence/Hush: Zech 1:7, 2:13 and Reve 8:1
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Sodom and Egypt: Matt 2:15, Reve 11:8
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Song of Moses: Exodus 15:1 and Revelation 15:3
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Spirit lifting, taking Ezekiel and John
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Stars 7
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Tree of Life and Garden: Genesis 3:24 and Reve 2:7
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Whip.........Nahum 3:2, John 2:15,



.

Not one to debate and no offense but I have no interest in those threads. Just pointing out a truth I felt you should know.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Not one to debate and no offense but I have no interest in those threads. Just pointing out a truth I felt you should know.

Btw merry Christmas. What is your interest?


.

 

[Messenger 3k]

Btw merry Christmas. What is your interest?


.

Merry Christmas to you as well.

I meant those threads don't interest me because I've done my study and meditation on this and sought God through prayer.

Pre-tribulation rapture is a dangerously misleading idea. Scripture is clear enough to specifically warn against it. The passages you made mention of are allusions because those events occurred already and where used as a reference to mean they will occur again.

 

[iamlamad]

Merry Christmas to you as well.

I meant those threads don't interest me because I've done my study and meditation on this and sought God through prayer.

Pre-tribulation rapture is a dangerously misleading idea. Scripture is clear enough to specifically warn against it. The passages you made mention of are allusions because those events occurred already and where used as a reference to mean they will occur again.

Readers, this is hilarious! God's plan is "a dangerously misleading idea!"

Indeed, scripture is clear that the rapture will come pretrib. One important point: most people that deny pretrib can't delineate "the trib" correctly in Revelation. How then can they know what is pretrib and what isn't?

Make no mistake: the first 5 seals are HISTORY, not future. We are waiting on the rapture which will trigger THE DAY and His wrath.

 

[BABerean2]

One important point: most people that deny pretrib can't delineate "the trib" correctly in Revelation. How then can they know what is pretrib and what isn't?

I guess we would have to ask a Dispensationalist, or at least consult the Scofield Reference Bible...

.

 

[iamlamad]

I guess we would have to ask a Dispensationalist, or at least consult the Scofield Reference Bible...

.

Good thinking! One of your best replies ever!

 

[BABerean2]

Good thinking! One of your best replies ever!

Great Errors in Dispensational Eschatology: Pastor John Otis

.

 

[iamlamad]

Great Errors in Dispensational Eschatology: Pastor John Otis

.

Scofield would be much better.

 

[BABerean2]

Scofield would be much better.

Do you mean "Doctor" C. I. Scofield, the one that nobody can figure out how he got his doctoral degree?

the same Scofield who never apologized for abandoning his wife and children?

the same Scofield who pretended to be a war hero?

Read the book "The Incredible Scofield" by Joseph Canfield if you want to find out what Scofield was really like.

According to Frank Gaebelein, who was the son of Arno Gaebelein, his father banged away on his typewriter while Scofield went to see a movie.
He said it was his father who really wrote the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible.
Arno is listed as one of the editors and had the Bible knowledge, which Scofield lacked.


Arno C. Gaebelein Books | List of books by author Arno C. Gaebelein

.

 

[Dr. D Bunker]

bye

 

[iamlamad]

For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

BUT ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

A closer look at the passage shows that "coming as a thief in the night" refers to unbelievers.

At the end of chapter 4, Paul speaks about the gathering and says to the Ephesians to comfort one another with these words. In chapter 5 he continues saying the Lord comes as a thief in the night but that they, the believers, know perfectly well that the day of the Lord comes "as a thief in the night."

Since they know that, Verse 2 uses the words THEY and THEM ....sudden destruction....and THEY shall not escape. That doesn't imply believers! It implies unbelievers!

BUT ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.​

The word BUT proves what was previously said refers to unbelievers because the word BUT is a conjunction that shows opposition from the previous statement. BUT YE BRETHREN in verse 3 shows opposition to the "they and them" in verse 2. Coming as a thief in the night refers to unbelievers, their destruction, and inability to escape. Paul says believers are aware of the Lord's return as a thief, unbelievers are not. THEY and THEM doesn't infer Christians, it infers unbelievers.

Thayer's, "universally, by way of opposition and distinction; it is added to statements opposed to a preceding statement:"

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

I agree: Paul shows us a paradigm: He brings up two different groups of people and shows us that each has a different outcome at one moment of time: those in Christ get raptures, so escape; but those in darkness are left behind and cannot escape the sudden destruction.

Paul then shows us that this sudden destruction that comes a moment after the rapture is the start of the Wrath of God. Good job.