Pre tribulation rapture not true

[kenster]

I wouldnt worry so much about being left behind than being prpared to go through the trib unprepared. The idea of being "left behind" I believe is one of the biggest lies that satan is using today to keep christians from being truly ready. Its going to be a privledge to glorify God through the hardest time in the history of the world. God

 

[Nanee5]

I wouldnt worry so much about being left behind than being prpared to go through the trib unprepared. The idea of being "left behind" I believe is one of the biggest lies that satan is using today to keep christians from being truly ready. Its going to be a privledge to glorify God through the hardest time in the history of the world. God

Yes, it would be a privilage to do that, but can you tell me why you believe that God's children should have to go thru a time of judgment meant for those who reject him?

 

[kenster]

Yes, it would be a privilage to do that, but can you tell me why you believe that God's children should have to go thru a time of judgment meant for those who reject him?[/QUOTE God will not pour his judgment on his own people but will protect us just like the children of isreal in egypt. Well experience the rath of satan but also recieve even greater grace and glory from god.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

The Christian Church has always taught that we will suffer though the last days.

Forgive me....

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

All suffering in this world is for correction..

When we leave this life the time for correction has past.

You will not be spared.

Forgive me...

 

[Nanee5]

I am sorry to disagree with you, but I believe the Bible gives types and shadows of a pre-trib "rapture", or saving from a time of wrath. For one, Noah and the his family. God did not kill them with the rest of the wicked of the earth, because they were righteous. He saved them before His wrath was poured out on the earth. For another, Lot and his family. God sent angels to pull them out of Sodom and Gommorah, before He poured His wrath out on those cities. These are just a few examples. From this, I believe that God will not allow His righteous (us) to go thru the tribulation. I believe He will pull us out before it happens. Now those who accept Christ during that time, yes, they will have to endure much.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Ah... The hazards of reading scripture outside the context of the Church.


Forgive me...

 

[kenster]

I am sorry to disagree with you, but I believe the Bible gives types and shadows of a pre-trib "rapture", or saving from a time of wrath. For one, Noah and the his family. God did not kill them with the rest of the wicked of the earth, because they were righteous. He saved them before His wrath was poured out on the earth. For another, Lot and his family. God sent angels to pull them out of Sodom and Gommorah, before He poured His wrath out on those cities. These are just a few examples. From this, I believe that God will not allow His righteous (us) to go thru the tribulation. I believe He will pull us out before it happens. Now those who accept Christ during that time, yes, they will have to endure much.

god did not deliver the children of isreal until after all the plagues were delivered. even though the lived in the sme land they were not harmed by any of gods judgements. in thesalonians it says we will not be caught up until the falling away and the antichrist is revealed. I believe that many poeple who are counting on the rapture to prtct them and it doesnt happen will be part of the falling away. I dont want to happen to you.l

 

[Maximus]

I am sorry to disagree with you, but I believe the Bible gives types and shadows of a pre-trib "rapture", or saving from a time of wrath. For one, Noah and the his family. God did not kill them with the rest of the wicked of the earth, because they were righteous. He saved them before His wrath was poured out on the earth. For another, Lot and his family. God sent angels to pull them out of Sodom and Gommorah, before He poured His wrath out on those cities. These are just a few examples. From this, I believe that God will not allow His righteous (us) to go thru the tribulation. I believe He will pull us out before it happens. Now those who accept Christ during that time, yes, they will have to endure much.

Those are not types of the Pre-Trib Rapture.

Those upon whom the wrath of God fell were killed.

Noah was locked up in the ark, tossed about on the waters of the Flood until finally coming to ground upon Mt. Ararat.

Lot had to flee from the city into the wilderness on foot, with his family, and lost his wife in the process.

In neither case were the believers removed from the earth or grabbed and transported somewhere by God.

The Bible is replete with the sufferings and tribulation encountered by the people of God. Hebrews 11 gives a whole litany of them.

The early Christians were killed for the faith, not caught away to a place of safety and leisure by God.

Besides, Jesus said He will raise up those who believe in Him on the LAST DAY, not 1,007 years or so before the Last Day (see John 6:39-40, 44, 54).

 

[Nanee5]

god did not deliver the children of isreal until after all the plagues were delivered. even though the lived in the sme land they were not harmed by any of gods judgements. in thesalonians it says we will not be caught up until the falling away and the antichrist is revealed. I believe that many poeple who are counting on the rapture to prtct them and it doesnt happen will be part of the falling away. I dont want to happen to you.l

Not planning on it Thanks for your concern, and I understand where you are coming from.

 

[Nanee5]

Those are not types of the Pre-Trib Rapture.

Those upon whom the wrath of God fell were killed.

Noah was locked up in the ark, tossed about on the waters of the Flood until finally coming to ground upon Mt. Ararat.

Lot had to flee from the city into the wilderness on foot, with his family, and lost his wife in the process.

In neither case were the believers removed from the earth or grabbed and transported somewhere by God.

The Bible is replete with the sufferings and tribulation encountered by the people of God. Hebrews 11 gives a whole litany of them.

The early Christians were killed for the faith, not caught away to a place of safety and leisure by God.

Besides, Jesus said He will raise up those who believe in Him on the LAST DAY, not 1,007 years or so before the Last Day (see John 6:39-40, 44, 54).

I was not saying they were types of being "caught away",grabbed or transported, but of God sparing the righteous from His wrath.

 

[Nanee5]

Ah... The hazards of reading scripture outside the context of the Church.


Forgive me...

Are you saying the church is who is to interpret scripture for me? My Bible says the Holy Spirit will give me and all believers understanding.

 

[kenster]

Are you saying the church is who is to interpret scripture for me? My Bible says the Holy Spirit will give me and all believers understanding.

that still doesnt explain 2thes 2-3

 

[billychum]

Ah, the mystery of faith!

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Are you saying the church is who is to interpret scripture for me? My Bible says the Holy Spirit will give me and all believers understanding.

Are you saying that as a Child you picked up the Bible and had no questions of another person concerning it's meaning?

You asked someone....

The Church wrote the New Testament and authorized it as the Truth of Christ... However she never intened it to be used outside the Divine Liturgy of the Church.... You miss the Liturgy, you miss the stories that go along with the Books.....

You wind up with a less than perfect understanding.

It was never intened to be used as an all inclusive blueprint for worship... nor does it offer the entire Christian story.

It is the basics.... and must be explained.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

IF Christ God had wished you to have a complete manual with all the answers he would have written it himself.

As it is... he left you a Church with Apostles in charge... with the authority to cast out demons and to bind your sins to you should you not repent.

Forgive me....

 

[Veritas]

I would have to agree with the OP on this one. Try telling the Christians of the last 50 years in China that they would be spared from tribulation. Actually, that's just what a bunch of Dispy missionaries did and when their "tribulation" came, those poor Chinese who survived fell away from faith. Better to expect a tribulation and not have one than not expect one and have it.

 

[winslow]

Christians will live through the tribulation, but they will be delivered as the Isrealites were delivered in Egypt.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

For your bedtime reading on the Orthodox view I would like to suggest....

A Rumor of War

Christ's Millennial Reign and the Rapture of His Church

by Dennis Eugene Engleman

ISBN 1-928653-07-3

www.reginaorthodoxpress.com

Enjoy!

Forgive me....

 

[NotEnoughFaith2BeAtheist]

I wouldnt worry so much about being left behind than being prpared to go through the trib unprepared. The idea of being "left behind" I believe is one of the biggest lies that satan is using today to keep christians from being truly ready. Its going to be a privledge to glorify God through the hardest time in the history of the world. God

I don't see you provide any scripture to back that up in that claim. Well, do you know of any?