Praying with Protestants

[geocajun]

It is a little difficult to understand. I’ll try to explain it and I hope I don’t state anything that is not correct but as I understand it, as long as it is a valid baptism, done with water, in the name of the father, son, and spirit and as long as the intent of the pastor baptizing is to “do what the Church does”, baptize into the body of Christ, the baptism is valid even if it is seen as symbolic by the person who is being baptized. The sacrament is an objective one; it is incorporating one into the invisible body of Christ. Whether a pastor and a baptizeie sees this as a merely symbolic joining, they intend to be joined to the “church” (the mystical body of Christ” through their baptism. So for that reason it is valid. I hope I explained that corectly. I am open to correction from anyone if I am wrong.

Michelle, your explanation was perfect

 

[Benedicta00]

Michelle, your explanation was perfect

Good. Then this thread is all settled now.

 

[Paul S]

Yes those are clear . . .

I wonder which faith Paul was referring to in his posts.

I was referring to all faiths except the Catholic Church, the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church, the one founded by Jesus.

All who are saved are saved through Christ's one Church, but all baptised Christians are invisibly part of her, and since God will not condemn anyone to hell for something that is not his fault, the unbaptised who do not know of the need to enter the Church may still be saved.

We know where the Church is, we do not know where is is not. It is true that the Catholic faith is the only one with the full truth, but one can be joined to her invisibly and make it to heaven.

 

[Miss Shelby]

Doesn't this mean that Christ did not give authority over salvation to the Catholic Church, and in fact retains the power himself?

One and the same. Moot point.

What is the Catholic Church's authority, if it does not have real, binding authority over salvation?

The Catholic Church is Christ's Church on earth. What authority does Christ have?

 

[Miss Shelby]

One more query, and I'm done:

Voodoo is a practice that synthesizes traditional African spiritualism with Catholicism.

LOL!

Are you sure you won't meet Voodoo-workers in heaven?

Maybe. And you might just meet a few Catholics.

 

[Anthony]

So why do you keep restating your questions if I answered you so clearly?

I asked follow-up questions to get to where you ended up. It wasn't so clearly stated from the start. How many people are aware of the Catholic church's view of other faiths, your final post and Paul's later post is loud and clear.

 

[aReformedPatriot]

I asked follow-up questions to get to where you ended up. It wasn't so clearly stated from the start. How many people are aware of the Catholic church's view of other faiths, your final post and Paul's later post is loud and clear.

and Interesting... at least to me.

 

[Michelina]

Just a reminder:

:troll:

 

[Mother Vashti]

The Church's job is to teach truth and what a person does with that truth is between them and God. No one on earth has control over another's salvation. That is between you and God. All the Church can do is teach you truth. That is her God given authority.

Thanx.

No it isn't. Those who practice Voodoo do not also practice Catholicism, they merely pretend to practice Catholicism. They practice Voodoo under the guise of Catholic devotion to hide what they do, they are not Catholic and do not practice Catholic theology, and they reject Christ. They just hide behind the devotional practices of Catholics. There is no merging of the two. What they do is a sin. I'm a little insulted that you would think some Catholics merge their faith with voodoo. That is a very bold claim.

I don't understand why people are laughing and getting angry about voodoo I just want to clarify why I asked about it:

Voodoo is a creole religion of the Caribbean. It synthesizes the religion of French slavers and merchants with the religions of African slaves. It's a creole of African animist beliefs and Roman Catholicism. No matter what stereotypes stand over voodoo (and the voodoo doll thing is just a myth, for the record!), these two beliefs systems germinated it.

If we begin with the assumption that Catholicism is the truth, I was suggesting that there is a chance of salvation for voodoo-workers as well as Protestants, because both have retained some of the truth.

With that clarification, could someone kindly respond to my question? I don't mind getting a negative "final answer", but I'm not yet persuaded that insult and scorn is 'the Catholic position' on this fresh concept.

 

[aReformedPatriot]

It would be kinda fun if those voodoo dolls worked though...

 

[ZooMom]

The answer, Mother Vashti, is that while 'VooDoo' may incorporate Catholic elements in it's rituals, it is a pagan corruption of the Catholic faith. Satanism also uses Catholic elements and ritual, but it is also a corruption and a distortion.

No-one here is going to say that anyone else, regardless of their faith practices, is going to hell. We don't make that call. We can tell you that the further one gets from the Truth of the Deposit of Faith the more difficult it becomes for that soul to find it's way.

I hope that helps.


Peace be with you.

Sandy

 

[Michelina]

Thanx.Voodoo is a creole religion of the Caribbean. It synthesizes the religion of French slavers and merchants with the religions of African slaves. It's a creole of African animist beliefs and Roman Catholicism. ...these two beliefs systems germinated it.

Incorrect, Mother. Voodoo merely uses some catholic paraphanalia and outwardly appears somewhat 'catholic' to those who don't know better. The African religion just confiscated catholic symbols, etc.

Please try to step back and see why your statements above are offensive to Catholics.

Satanism likewise borrows catholic paraphanalia, symbols etc. That doesn't make it Catholic, by derivation or in any other way.

Edited to add: Sandy posted while I was typing and said it better. Oh well, I never could type fast.

You must spread some
Reputation around before
giving it to ZooMom again.​

 

[Mother Vashti]

Th..thanx.

 

[Mother Vashti]

It would be kinda fun if those voodoo dolls worked though...

People started figuring out it didn't work, and the factory that manufactured voodoo dolls really went on the rocks.

But then they switched to blow-up dolls, and the rest was history

 

[ZooMom]

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Edited to add: Sandy posted while I was typing and said it better. Oh well, I never could type fast.

You must spread some

Reputation around before
giving it to ZooMom again.
​

LOL! The only reason I got mine in first is that the kids are all in bed and I didn't have to keep stopping every three words to help someone. You rock!

 

[aReformedPatriot]

People started figuring out it didn't work, and the factory that manufactured voodoo dolls really went on the rocks.

But then they switched to blow-up dolls, and the rest was history

:o

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

Christianity has "germinated" a whole lot of wacko cults- that doesn't make their followers followers of Christ.

If people are purposefully following the devil or invoking evil spirits through the use of magick- they are propbably NOT on the elevator to heaven..... and they probably don't really care. One can romanticize Voodoo and withcraft all one wants-- they are still purposefully invoking evil spirits.....

Only God will judge each person- but we are certainly called to make prudential judgements about the efficacy of other's actions so that we might lead them back to Christ through reliance on the Holy Spirit to grant us wisdom...

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

Thanx, Shannon. Haven't seen you in a while. No no, it's not at all what you're thinking. What I meant wOH MY G-- WHAT IS THAT

*points at St. George's bust and scampers out of thread when everyone looks*

maybe we could refrain from taking the Lord's name in vain???

 

[Benedicta00]

Thanx.



I don't understand why people are laughing and getting angry about voodoo I just want to clarify why I asked about it:

Voodoo is a creole religion of the Caribbean. It synthesizes the religion of French slavers and merchants with the religions of African slaves. It's a creole of African animist beliefs and Roman Catholicism. No matter what stereotypes stand over voodoo (and the voodoo doll thing is just a myth, for the record!), these two beliefs systems germinated it.

If we begin with the assumption that Catholicism is the truth, I was suggesting that there is a chance of salvation for voodoo-workers as well as Protestants, because both have retained some of the truth.

With that clarification, could someone kindly respond to my question? I don't mind getting a negative "final answer", but I'm not yet persuaded that insult and scorn is 'the Catholic position' on this fresh concept.

I know what Voodoo is. Born and raised in New Orleans and I know that Africans were taught Catholic devotions by their "masters" and that is how they learned to disguise their voodoo practices under the guise of Catholic devotions.

 

[Garuda]

I asked follow-up questions to get to where you ended up. It wasn't so clearly stated from the start. How many people are aware of the Catholic church's view of other faiths, your final post and Paul's later post is loud and clear.

Apparently not many becuase many of the posts I read contradict much of what I have learned about Catholicism. I mean (Catholics here) are you pretty much in agreement with what has been posted because I really didn't get any of that from hanging out in GT for the last year.

Guess I'll lurk on OBOB now!