Praying with Protestants

[Mother Vashti]

So to answer you question, there is no salvation outside the Church- no other faith can save but the Catholic faith, but yes, any given person of any faith persuasion can be saved outside the authority of the Church but not outside Christ.

Doesn't this mean that Christ did not give authority over salvation to the Catholic Church, and in fact retains the power himself?

What is the Catholic Church's authority, if it does not have real, binding authority over salvation?

 

[Mother Vashti]

Satanism... I'd say Satansim is certainly on that list- Wicca, Voodoo...

One more query, and I'm done:

Voodoo is a practice that synthesizes traditional African spiritualism with Catholicism. Are you sure you won't meet Voodoo-workers in heaven?

 

[Benedicta00]

Protestants faiths will lead you to heaven, but only the Catholic faith will get you to heaven and saved?

What ever truth that can be found in any given Protestant sect is what leads anyone to heaven. Do you understand that what ever truth a Protestant sect has, is what ever truth that comes from the Church that they did not reject and throw out? Only the Catholic faith saves because it is the truth and Protestants contain seeds of this Catholic faith, seeds of this truth and this is what saves them. What they did not throw out that belonged to the Church, like a valid baptism for example.

 

[aReformedPatriot]

Protestants faiths will lead you to heaven, but only the Catholic faith will get you to heaven and saved?

I dont get it

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scratch the above I thought i was quoting Shelb5, i get it now.

 

[Anthony]

What ever truth that can be found in any given Protestant sect is what leads anyone to heaven. Do you understand that what ever truth a Protestant sect has, is what ever truth that comes from the Church that they did not reject and throw out? Only the Catholic faith saves because it is the truth and Protestants contain seeds of this Catholic faith, seeds of this truth and this is what saves them. What they did not throw out that belonged to the Church, like a valid baptism for example.

Once the question is answered, there shall be no debate over the answer in this forum by the Non-Catholic. Any debate posts by Non-Catholics will be deleted and may earn the said member a warning. In other words, only Catholic members can debate here.

So that doesn't leave much to discuss, but I thank you, you have clearly stated the Catholic position.

 

[Victrixa]

Faith comes from the Church - the apostolic and original Catholic Church - that's why salvation is only found in the Church.

 

[aReformedPatriot]

What ever truth that can be found in any given Protestant sect is what leads anyone to heaven. Do you understand that what ever truth a Protestant sect has, is what ever truth that comes from the Church that they did not reject and throw out? Only the Catholic faith saves because it is the truth and Protestants contain seeds of this Catholic faith, seeds of this truth and this is what saves them. What they did not throw out that belonged to the Church, like a valid baptism for example.

A valid baptism for you is one that recognizes that the person is literally cleansed right, they are regenerated if you will right? What of sects who merely call it and believe it to be symbolic?

 

[Mother Vashti]

Any Catholic can answer my questions, not just the persons I quoted.

 

[Carrye]

A valid baptism for you is one that recognizes that the person is literally cleansed right, they are regenerated if you will right?

Valid baptism is done in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

 

[aReformedPatriot]

Valid baptism is done in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

As long as that sentence is included your alright according to the RC denomination then?

 

[Carrye]

As long as that sentence is included your alright

Not even the sentence so much as what's called the Trinitarian Formula. I've usually heard it been prayed something like "I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit".

A valid baptism includes the Trinitarian Formula and the sprinkling/immersion in water.

 

[aReformedPatriot]

interesting.

 

[Cjwinnit]

As long as that sentence is included your alright according to the RC denomination then?

"We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins".

 

[Benedicta00]

Doesn't this mean that Christ did not give authority over salvation to the Catholic Church, and in fact retains the power himself?

What is the Catholic Church's authority, if it does not have real, binding authority over salvation?

The Church's job is to teach truth and what a person does with that truth is between them and God. No one on earth has control over another's salvation. That is between you and God. All the Church can do is teach you truth. That is her God given authority.

 

[Benedicta00]

One more query, and I'm done:

Voodoo is a practice that synthesizes traditional African spiritualism with Catholicism. Are you sure you won't meet Voodoo-workers in heaven?

No it isn't. Those who practice Voodoo do not also practice Catholicism, they merely pretend to practice Catholicism. They practice Voodoo under the guise of Catholic devotion to hide what they do, they are not Catholic and do not practice Catholic theology, and they reject Christ. They just hide behind the devotional practices of Catholics. There is no merging of the two. What they do is a sin. I'm a little insulted that you would think some Catholics merge their faith with voodoo. That is a very bold claim.

 

[Benedicta00]

Once the question is answered, there shall be no debate over the answer in this forum by the Non-Catholic. Any debate posts by Non-Catholics will be deleted and may earn the said member a warning. In other words, only Catholic members can debate here.

So that doesn't leave much to discuss, but I thank you, you have clearly stated the Catholic position.

So why do you keep restating your questions if I answered you so clearly?

 

[Benedicta00]

So why do you keep restating your questions if I answered you so clearly?

The comment was not a loaded comment but your question was.

 

[SumTinWong]

Are you arguing with yourself?

 

[Benedicta00]

A valid baptism for you is one that recognizes that the person is literally cleansed right, they are regenerated if you will right? What of sects who merely call it and believe it to be symbolic?

It is a little difficult to understand. I’ll try to explain it and I hope I don’t state anything that is not correct but as I understand it, as long as it is a valid baptism, done with water, in the name of the father, son, and spirit and as long as the intent of the pastor baptizing is to “do what the Church does”, baptize into the body of Christ, the baptism is valid even if it is seen as symbolic by the person who is being baptized. The sacrament is an objective one; it is incorporating one into the invisible body of Christ. Whether a pastor and a baptizeie sees this as a merely symbolic joining, they intend to be joined to the “church” (the mystical body of Christ” through their baptism. So for that reason it is valid. I hope I explained that corectly. I am open to correction from anyone if I am wrong.

 

[Benedicta00]

Are you arguing with yourself?

No, I meant to edit and i quoted instead.