Was it a sin for us to pray with Protestants pre-Vatican II?
If so, this changed through the "binding and loosing" authority of the Church, correct?
If so, this changed through the "binding and loosing" authority of the Church, correct?
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Praying with Protestants
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plmarquette
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Might pm brother Llyod on One Bread One body ...
back in the day ( 1960 ) we were forbidden to go to another church , if we did the service didn't count ....
I think the ecumenism of today is a step in the right direction , combining resources , demonstrating a united front before the sinners and lost , being more effective in 3rd world nations .... feeding the hungry , clothing the naked ...
back in the day ( 1960 ) we were forbidden to go to another church , if we did the service didn't count ....
I think the ecumenism of today is a step in the right direction , combining resources , demonstrating a united front before the sinners and lost , being more effective in 3rd world nations .... feeding the hungry , clothing the naked ...
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A sin to pray with Protestants? 
I can't imagine that it was. Where did you get that idea? It is forbidden to partake of their communion...but just to pray...I don't think so. But I am certainly no authority, and could easily be wrong. 
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I can't imagine that it was. Where did you get that idea? It is forbidden to partake of their communion...but just to pray...I don't think so. But I am certainly no authority, and could easily be wrong. Peace be with you!
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InnerPhyre
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I know that some Orthodox (I said SOME) feel it's a sin to pray who anyone who isn't Orthodox, but I don't recall it every being a sin within Catholicism. Perhaps it was a sin at one point to attend a protestant service? Dunno.
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InnerPhyre said:
It was viewed as if it were a sin and that was a common misconception. The mentality was very different then. It is now referred to as 'the fortress mentality'. It is tragic that things went the way they did but Vat II made it clear that our Pastors wanted to change that mentality.
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plmarquette
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The problem is what and how to pray ....Defens0rFidei said:
We know different prayers , believe differently , approach the throne differently ....
If we stay with the book , promises , and a unselfish motive , should be no reason not to , for the day is coming , we cannot afford to turn down those who are not against us ....
Mark 11.23-4 ; 1 John 5.14-18 speak to the mountain ...
Psalm 103 ... our christian benefits
Psalm 119.5 ( catholic bible ) 118.5 (KJV ) I asked , God heard & answered me
Deuteronomy 28.1-6 blessings of the covenant
Matthew 7.7-9 ask , seek , knock ( pray )
1 Corinthians 13 ... love is patient , kind ,
Romans 12.21 ... forgive , bless your enemies
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I don't see anything wrong with praying with people of other faiths, but we must be careful not to let it convey the message that all faiths are equal and all faiths will get you to heaven.
While, as Vatican II taught, there is some truth in other religions, all who are saved are saved through the Catholic Church. We should also remember the sacredness of the altar and what happens there during Mass, and never allow it to be used for anything else, like at Fatima.
Oremus inter se, ut unum simus. (Let us pray for each other, that we may be one.)
While, as Vatican II taught, there is some truth in other religions, all who are saved are saved through the Catholic Church. We should also remember the sacredness of the altar and what happens there during Mass, and never allow it to be used for anything else, like at Fatima.
Oremus inter se, ut unum simus. (Let us pray for each other, that we may be one.)
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Which faiths will not get you to heaven?geocajun said:
Yes that is an honest question, asking for clarification to the posters statement. I'm curious what faith he meant, will not get you to heaven.
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Benedicta00
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What do you mean by the service didn't count? If you go to a protestant service, it still does not count as fulfilling your obligation to attend Mass. A service and mass are no way the same.plmarquette said:
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Benedicta00
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Haven't we been through this before?Anthony said:
We know the Catholic faith is the faith that saves. We know where the Church is but we do not know where it is not. We do not know who is and is not saved right now, Catholic and non-Catholic alike. We do know that any valid baptism joins a person to Christ. We know that there is no salvation outside the Church which in truth means no salvation outside of Christ, and lastly we know God will judge a person, not you, me or anyone else.
So, what answer is it that you are looking for? Catholics do not damn anyone to hell, if you are trying to get us to say that only Roman Catholics will be saved, you are looking in vain because we do not believe this.
We believe specifically that anyone can be saved because Jesus died for all men. We believe that Roman Catholicism is the one true Church but this does not mean that anyone who is not under her authority can not be saved.
What we do believe is that to who much is given, much will be expected from him. How much revelation did God give to each of us is the standard we will be judge by. If he calls you to the fullness of His Church and you reject that, then only God will judge and deal with you accordingly.
So it isnt a fair question to ask, What faith wont get you to heaven? because it isnt about the faith persuasion, its about how much light and knowledge from God you have received and how much of the light and knowledge you reject willfully.
So this is what all those comments really mean. It is a mistake for us to think that all faith lead to heaven because they do not. The denomination does not lead a person to heaven the Holy Spirit does and his lead is always to the fullness of truth. We are obligation to follow where he leads. We do not have the liberty to follow where we decide we want to be.
So with that said, only those who truly have obstacles in the way of their following the Holy Spirit to His fullness of truth will have an excuse. We call this ignorance by no fault of the person, but God is their judge and only he know if this person was not at fault for his own ignorance, not you, me or anyone else.
So to answer you question, there is no salvation outside the Church- no other faith can save but the Catholic faith, but yes, any given person of any faith persuasion can be saved outside the authority of the Church but not outside Christ.
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aReformedPatriot
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touche - hahaha....ShannonMcMorland said:Satanism... I'd say Satansim is certainly on that list- Wicca, Voodoo...
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The question was asked, because the statement was made.Shelb5 said:
You have explained the statement, which left by itself is a loaded comment.
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aReformedPatriot
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Yes those are clear . . .ShannonMcMorland said:Satanism... I'd say Satansim is certainly on that list- Wicca, Voodoo...
I wonder which faith Paul was referring to in his posts.
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Benedicta00
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How is it a loaded comment? Objectively speaking only the Catholic faith saves. The person said the comment in the context that we do not want anyone to get the wrong impression that its all-good, any faith or denomination you chose to be will lead you to heaven. Only the Catholic faith can save you and all are joined to the Church through a valid baptism but God is not limited to the sacrament. It binds us-those who are called to the sacrament, not Him.Anthony said:
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Protestants faiths will lead you to heaven, but only the Catholic faith will get you to heaven and saved?Shelb5 said:
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