Not so at all. I did not receive a proper Anglican christening. Having already received the birth from above, there was no necessity for such a prayer to be offered.
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Your reply is a surprise to me. For it is common practise to baptise in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit in a prayer for the grace of God to be given to the one who is baptised and a birth from above to be granted to such. Was this not so for you?
Were you not baptised then?Not so at all. I did not receive a proper Anglican christening. Having already received the birth from above, there was no necessity for such a prayer to be offered.
Were you not baptised then?
Why "according to" my Church?According to your Church I was, most assuredly baptized, in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Why "according to" my Church?
That is so, but only for those who share Catholic belief about baptism.Simply because the Catholic Church accepts trinitarian baptisms from virtually all other branches of Christianity. Were I to choose to join the Catholic Church I would not need to be baptized.
That is so, but only for those who share Catholic belief about baptism.
But are they seeking to join the Catholic Church as an adult, as you would be if you were seeking to join the Catholic Church?Not really. There are millions and millions of baptized babies (non-Catholic as well as Catholic) who don't have any belief whatsoever about baptism.
But are they seeking to join the Catholic Church as an adult, as you would be if you were seeking to join the Catholic Church?
What you say is true, you would not be required to be baptised because - if your baptism is valid. But one cannot enter the Catholic Church, as an adult, simply on the basis of a valid baptism. To enter the Catholic Church as an adult one must agree with Catholic doctrine and accept it. That includes the intercession of the saints, their invocation in prayer, and participation in the liturgy where the saints are invoked.That is entirely moot. If one is baptized as a baby (as I was) then the Catholic Church accepts that baptism as valid. If I were to seek to join your church today I would not be required to be rebaptized.
What you say is true, you would not be required to be baptised because - if your baptism is valid. But one cannot enter the Catholic Church, as an adult, simply on the basis of a valid baptism. To enter the Catholic Church as an adult one must agree with Catholic doctrine and accept it. That includes the intercession of the saints, their invocation in prayer, and participation in the liturgy where the saints are invoked.
Well, honesty compels me to observe that it was you who brought up both baptism and membership in the Catholic Church.I see now we have segued from the topic of the thread (prayers to saints) to joining your denomination. If you would like to start a new thread on that topic I recommend that you do so on the Denomination Specific board.
BTW, one is not required to pray to any specific Catholic saints in order to be a member of your denomination.
Well, honesty compels me to observe that it was you who brought up both baptism and membership in the Catholic Church.
What are your thoughts on what Saint James wrote about praying for others?I will out of courtesy when they ask me, but I have no expectations that my prayers for others have any merit of their own. When asked to pray for others I encourage them to pray to God themselves through our Great High Priest, Jesus Christ.
How is he/she going to hear you? Only God is omniscient.
What are your thoughts on what Saint James wrote about praying for others?
James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
So, I wondered if those who have qualms about these practises give much thought to the deep meaning that they do have for the Catholic and Orthodox faithful.
Do you feel like my original post was asking you to share in the deep meaning that Catholic and Orthodox Christians attach to those practises?
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