Praying for healing

[obelix]

I just heard from a preacher that asking God for healing is not scriptural and wrong. I kinda agree about it because Jesus did everything on the cross and God gave us authority to preach the gospel, cast out demons, and heal the sick.

So instead of asking God to heal brother so and so I believe we must stand in the authority of what God has given to us and command them to be healed in the name of Jesus.

What can you say about this? I appreciate your response.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I just heard from a preacher that asking God for healing is not scriptural and wrong. I kinda agree about it because Jesus did everything on the cross and God gave us authority to preach the gospel, cast out demons, and heal the sick.

So instead of asking God to heal brother so and so I believe we must stand in the authority of what God has given to us and command them to be healed in the name of Jesus.

What can you say about this? I appreciate your response.

Ultimately remaining healthy because you discern the body of Christ is the best way to go. You just never get sick. However, God meets you at the level of your faith. If you cannot find it in yourself to walk in health, do not be troubled. You can call on the elders of the church and they can annoint you with oil. The pray of faith will heal you. Or you can even pray the prayer of faith yourself. Beyond that there is the Holy Spirit manifestation of Gifts of Healing. The point is that the Lord will meet you at your level of faith. We praise Him for it!

 

[obelix]

Ultimately remaining healthy because you discern the body of Christ is the best way to go. You just never get sick. However, God meets you at the level of your faith. If you cannot find it in yourself to walk in health, do not be troubled. You can call on the elders of the church and they can annoint you with oil. The pray of faith will heal you. Or you can even pray the prayer of faith yourself. Beyond that there is the Holy Spirit manifestation of Gifts of Healing. The point is that the Lord will meet you at your level of faith. We praise Him for it!

Thanks for your reply. I am very healthy, thanks for what Jesus had done.

My question is Do we have to pray to God and ask Him to provide healing for brother so and so?(By doing this it seems like we are passing the buck on Him since He gave us the authority to do it).

It seems biblical for us to Pray to God using the name of Jesus under the authority that He has given, for example: Jesus I lifted up brother so and so and I pray in Jesus name I uproot this sickness by the root and cast it out into the sea.

What is your stand on this?

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Thanks for your reply. I am very healthy, thanks for what Jesus had done.

My question is Do we have to pray to God and ask Him to provide healing for brother so and so?(By doing this it seems like we are passing the buck on Him since He gave us the authority to do it).

It seems biblical for us to Pray to God using the name of Jesus under the authority that He has given, for example: Jesus I lifted up brother so and so and I pray in Jesus name I uproot this sickness by the root and cast it out into the sea.

What is your stand on this?

Let me share my understanding of 1 John 5:16-17

I am going to add annotations to clarify what I am seeing.

1 John 5:16-17 KJV
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto ((spiritual)death, he shall ask, and he shall give him (physical)life for them that sin not unto (spiritual)death. There is a sin unto (spiritual)death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto (spiritual)death.

So we have two kinds of sin here, two kinds of life, and two kinds of death.

There is spiritual life, spiritual death, and sin unto spiritual death.
There is physical life, physical death, and sin unto physical death.

So in your question, if I see a brother sin, and as long as that sin is one that merely leads to physical death, I can pray and the lord will extend physical life to him.

If the sin is one that leads to spiritual death, we cannot pray for this and expect a response any more than we would pray that God just reach down and save an unrepentant sinner.


I think the Corinthian fornicator is a good example:

1 Corinthians 5:1-5 KJV
1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Here we have a believer that is sinnig a sin unto physical death, and he is about to be turned over to that end. Why? It would be better for him to die a physical death than proceed to the point where he might commit a sin unto spiritual death and be lost.

I hope this makes sense!
Blessings
dids

 

[Benjamin Conway]

I command sickness - I call that prayer. But I don't beg and plead, that's not our position.

I'd post a link but I can't, sorry.

 

[obelix]

Let me share my understanding of 1 John 5:16-17

I am going to add annotations to clarify what I am seeing.

1 John 5:16-17 KJV
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto ((spiritual)death, he shall ask, and he shall give him (physical)life for them that sin not unto (spiritual)death. There is a sin unto (spiritual)death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto (spiritual)death.

So we have two kinds of sin here, two kinds of life, and two kinds of death.

There is spiritual life, spiritual death, and sin unto spiritual death.
There is physical life, physical death, and sin unto physical death.

So in your question, if I see a brother sin, and as long as that sin is one that merely leads to physical death, I can pray and the lord will extend physical life to him.

If the sin is one that leads to spiritual death, we cannot pray for this and expect a response any more than we would pray that God just reach down and save an unrepentant sinner.


I think the Corinthian fornicator is a good example:

1 Corinthians 5:1-5 KJV
1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Here we have a believer that is sinnig a sin unto physical death, and he is about to be turned over to that end. Why? It would be better for him to die a physical death than proceed to the point where he might commit a sin unto spiritual death and be lost.

I hope this makes sense!
Blessings
dids

I have to read your comment several times to understand it. It raised more questions than answer.

 

[obelix]

I command sickness - I call that prayer. But I don't beg and plead, that's not our position.

I'd post a link but I can't, sorry.

Thanks for your response.

 

[Benjamin Conway]

The link is to a message I preached on this recently. Soon I will have 50 posts and be able to post it...

Until then

Go to

www DOT treeoflifeguildford DOT com

Go to SERMONS, and select the R Word. I think it is number 7 or 8 in the series "Commanders Not Beggars" or "Praying and Righteousness"...

 

[obelix]

The link is to a message I preached on this recently. Soon I will have 50 posts and be able to post it...

Until then

Go to

www DOT treeoflifeguildford DOT com

Go to SERMONS, and select the R Word. I think it is number 7 or 8 in the series "Commanders Not Beggars" or "Praying and Righteousness"...

Thanks Ben.

 

[now faith]

A prayer of intercession,to God the father,for brother so and so,is a petition in Jesus name.

This is simply another way to help those with limited faith.

Healing is two fold,prayer for others,and the name,both require faith in Christ.

 

[Benjamin Conway]

We are never once told to pray for the sick. We are told to heal them.

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

We are never once told to pray for the sick. We are told to heal them.

I agree and disagree.

(and I know the stock answers against this being used, but bear with me)

James 5:13-15
13 Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing psalms. 14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.
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v13 - Suffering: pray;
v14 - sick: prayer by the elders;

Verse 15 is a bit more in depth, for there is salvation linked to it as well: prayer of faith will (1) save the sick, (2) raise him up (healing), (3) if he sinned, he'll be forgiven.

Why is (1) AND (3) mentioned? Well I believe that (1) is salvation for the unbeliever; and (3) is forgiveness of sin that put one in the curse that caused the sickness.

But my agreement with you is in that we have authority over the curse as well as over serpents and demons. We can talk to the sickness (Peter's mother-in-law's fever as an example) and it must listen.

Is there a difference between commanding sickness and praying for it? This I'm not certain, but my thoughts would be the level of faith of the elder/preacher/pastor. Timothy had a stomach issue. Paul did NOT tell him to talk to it. Paul didn't even tell him to pray about it. He told Tim to take some medicine.

So my agreement/disagreement is that there are various responses to sickness. I believe it has to do with many things: (1) the faith of the elder; (2) the faith of the sick; (3) the faith/unbelief of those around (think Jairus).

 

[Benjamin Conway]

I understand where you are coming from, but that shouldn't be normative. Normative is Mark 11.23-24.

 

[WOFFED]

4. How To Pray for your Nation (Pastor Benjamin Conway)
http://www.treeoflifedagenham.com/international-month-2009.html
(does this kind of conference(intercession) prayer apply in some measure to healing a Nation)
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Paul gave Timothy some very clear instructions on how to guide the church to pray for the leaders of the nations. In this teaching, Benjamin explains some of the different ways we can pray for our nation and what the main purpose of praying for our leaders actually is.

Also in this message, due to the context of the Scriptures on prayer, Benjamin addresses the unscriptural ideas of "standing in the gap" and "spiritual warfare" and the role of women in the church!

So appreciate the opportunity to hear Pastor Conway’s online teachings and preaching everyday.​

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[Benjamin Conway]

Thanks!

 

[WOFFED]

Do your congregations ever pray corporately for the healing of Israel and if so in what context.​

David and Karen Davis on Zola Levitt - YouTube


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[now faith]

We are never once told to pray for the sick. We are told to heal them.

John 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

This I would consider for prayer for someone who cannot think for themselves.
A prayer of intercession.

The term whatsoever is not conditional,and prayer for salvation,or sickness would be in Gods will.

 

[Benjamin Conway]

You can pray for healing, but you are asking God to give you something you already have. That's like me giving you my Bible and you then asking me to pass it to you when it is in your hands.

It's illogical.

Best to spend your time asking for things you don't have. In your case, Now Faith, wisdom.

Grace and peace,
Benjamin Conway

 

[Zeek]

I like a book called "Jesus Healed Them All" by Gloria Copeland - proves by the Scriptures that God's will is your healing and subsequent constant divine health. It annihilates all the old time religious excuses and man-made traditions about how God does not, or will not, or cannot heal.

If Paul himself petitioned the L-rd for what many presume was a healing (maybe myopeia) and three times got the same reply until he finally accepted it, IMO it seems to demonstrate that there are at times reasons why people may not be healed, and that sometimes even G-d is behind it.

One could elaborate and show from Corinthians where Paul talks of people being sick and even dying because they do not discern the Body...in this instance it appears that G-ds judgment/disciplining is initiated through sickness and disease.

There may be times when people look for excuses that G-d is not in the healing business...but the reality is that many people get prayed for and are not healed...we are not G-d, we don't have the whole picture....and many people claim they are healed in well televised meetings, but seem to get caught up in a religious euphoria and find they are not healed.

Before anyone claims this just shows lack of faith ...let me just say that I long to see more people healed, but not at any cost and not through mis-placed ideological theology that can do more harm than good....I strive for better understanding and the way forward for the Body in this contentious area.

 

[hhodgson]

Jesus "forever" changed the way God relates to mankind, but God's greatest act of "judgement" was when He placed ALL of His wrath for our sins, (This includes all sickness and diseases) "upon" Jesus. This "forever satisfied" God's wrath. Since that time, God hasn't been judging our sins (2 Cor. 5:19). Jesus became what we were so we could become what He was... the righteousness of God.

As far as receiving healing... Consider this... "Lord I believe, help my unbelief" (Mark 9:24)


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Harry