Praying and prayer of Jabez Part 2

If God provides a means of someone_ making a living, unless it's illigeal or immoral what difference does it make how they do it?_ People are not forced to purchase any of these items._ And if they do, it's because they enjoy it._ What's wrong with that?

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Quaffie it's just a double standard thing. Wonder why no one condemns Don Moen, Bob Fitts, Hillsong Australia, Carmen, Sandy Patty, etc for selling all those music CDs and making tons of money? Gosh, why do they even buy those CDs?

They'll gladly pay the world lots of money for anew car, movie tickets, magazines, cable subscription etc but kick up such a fuss when it's money into the kingdom of God.

Note:__It behooves every poster to review the forum rules again. Let's not continue to put down other denominations or the thread will be closed and/or warnings issued.

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The author of Prayer of Jabez is a Christian, belongs to a denom. So is Benny Hinn, the Copelands etc. So if the rules stand why are posters here always allowed to put these people and their beliefs down? eg:

I could care less if Bruce wants to make a buck. I got no problem with raising funds. I have a problem with him doing so by deceptive means. I say deceptive because the premise of the whole book is false. This misleads people and it is wrong. So him making millions off the book is wrong.

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IOW he's a con-artist, cheat, false teacher, deceiver, criminal? I hope none of the author's lawyers are here!

Last I checked, most scriptures on prayer are about asking for things, from peace for the nations, to wisdom and revelation, to healing to prosperity, to whatsoever ye desire and whosoever asks.

Its mainly Ask Seek and Knock = A S K.

Mt 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

Mt 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

Mt 7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?

Mt 7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?

Mt 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

Mt 14:7 Whereupon he promised with an oath to give her whatsoever she would ask.

Mt 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

Mt 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Mr 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Lu 11:9 And I say unto you, ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

Lu 11:11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?

Lu 11:12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

Lu 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Joh 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

Joh 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,

Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

Jas 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

Jas 4:2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

Jas 4:3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

1Jo 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jo 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

1Jo 5:15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

any scriputures on prayer as communing with God, letting him change us etc?

I mean this in the most respectful way Andrew, sometimes the answer God gives us isn't the answer that we expect or want.

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no offence taken but i think you missed the point of my last post. I was merely pointing out that if you check up scriptures on prayer, you will that it has to do with asking and asking in faith. so there's nothing wrong with asking. in fact, Jesus often chided his disciples for not asking, and asking in faith. Look at the scriptures i posted above and you'll get the idea.

as to your quote, yes, sometimes the answer we get is not what we expected becos God gives us something even better! based on this scriptural principle -- Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,

When we ask for life God does not give death as something better. That simply contradicts scripture and God's nature. Jesus came to give life abundant. Death is God's enemy. The devil comes to steal kill and destroy. So how can we say God gives death?

blindfaith, I'm not offended in anyway.

I am familiar with death and sickness too. I've been to hospitals then funerals, I have heard widows and widowers cry. My mum had cancer and had 3/4s of her stomach removed. My wife suffers from migraine/asthma etc. so i know how it feels.

but if there's one thing i know beyond a shadow of doubt, it is this: God is not behind all this pain. you yourself have asked:

Why would God take a godly Christian man away from his wife and three children?Ê How could He do this?

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and in your spirit and from the scriptures you already know the answer -- that he is not responsible for all this chaos and suffering. How many times must a Christian be reminded: Christ came to give life abundant, not suffering and death. He didnt come to impart cancer and remove a wife from her husband, or remove a mother from her children. No he raised the dead son and gave him back to his mother.

How many times are we to be reminded that it is the devil who comes to steal kill and destroy, not God. We must stop 'blaming' God and giving the 'warn-out' explanation that there is some higher purpose that no one ever seems to know. No God has made it plain and clear in his Word.

you said it yourself again:

For some reason that I cannot fathom right now, he is better served on this Earth dead, than alive.Ê He did mightly works on this work while he was alive,

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How can a Christian impact the world for Christ if he is dead? you dont need preachers in heaven. you dont need to minister to the sick in heaven. you dont need to build churches in heaven. you are needed here on earth to run the race and finish it!

but I'm already starting to see the fruit of his death here.

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Yes, God can take the lemons that the devil throws at us and turn it into lemonade for us. He can work all bad things out for our good. But it is quite another thing (a sin actually) to say that God threw the lemons at us for some higher purpose that no one ever seems to know.

I know that there are emotions involved. but dont let that cloud your judgement. Let the scriptures plainly speak for themselves. Death is God's enemy. And there are no 2 deaths, one that's God's friend and one that's God's enemy. You'll never find that in the scripture.

Yes you may not comprehend your friend's death fully, but at least know that God wasnt behind it, for that is plainly stated in the scriptures.

Finally, do not confuse faithfulness with faith. A Christian can be serving in church faithfully for 50 years and yet not have faith for certain areas of his life. It has nothing to do with them not being loyal or loving to God. It has to do with knowledge of the Word and its application. God said that his people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. That is obvious enough becos there are good pastors who remain sick or poor, and there are good pastors who are healthy and doing well. Both are good, but one prob knows more abt walking in faith for divine health and prosperity. I hope you are getting the jist of it.