Is having a moment in silence to pray such a bad thing for schools? Noone is telling them to pray, just to observe a moment of silence. We do it all the time for tragedies and for those who passed away? What is the big deal about this?
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Prayer in School
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The 'big deal' about it is that 'moment of silence' in the western world is virtually always a euphemism for 'moment of prayer'. This is particularly obvious when schools who previously had a moment of prayer suddenly change it to a moment of silence. If you want to pray, do it on your own time, not the school's.christianmarine said:
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ClaireZ
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I don't understand the need to push prayer or Bible study or Religion into the public schools. Many people believe many different things, some believe in nothing at all.
Why can't we just leave people alone? If we really want to pray in school, we can pray to ourselves, in our hearts. Do we really need to make a public production out of prayer?
Why can't we just leave people alone? If we really want to pray in school, we can pray to ourselves, in our hearts. Do we really need to make a public production out of prayer?
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What's the point? If a child wishes to pray for any reason, can't they do it now? Why spend even one minute of the day standing in a classroom doing nothing? Over a decade ago, the Supreme Court struck down this type of proposal. And I don't know if you've noticed, but most legislation for this sort of thing calls for the "moment" to be used for "meditation or prayer."christianmarine said:
Let's face it, when people say they want prayer back in schools they aren't talking about a moment of silence. They're talking about a teacher leading the students in a prayer. More than likely a Christian prayer. May as well put armbands on the kids with their religious affiliation displayed for all to see. The Jews or Muslims or whatever in the class who don't know the prayer will either mumble along not meaning a word or will take a stand and be silent marking them as different. You may not remember Christians chasing a Jewish kid down the street calling him a "Christ-killer" but I do.
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There are several times during the school day, where it is silent. What are you talking about?
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TeddyKGB said:
Meh, learn to multitask. It can't be that hard to pray for a second and then read your lesson.
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Actually, from a biblical point of view Jesus tells people NOT to pray in groups.
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hyprocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly." (Matthew 6:5-6)
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hyprocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly." (Matthew 6:5-6)
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christianmarine said:
Let me put it to you another way. Why would you want to tell schoolchildren to observe a moment of silence? Presumably those whose parents want them to pray, will learn how to pray at home. Those whose parents don't want them to have to pray aren't going to appreciate the euphemism as you hope they will. Either way, what good do you accomplish by telling the schoolchildren to observe a moment of silence?
The reasoning seems to be, "The children might not all be praying on their own time. I like to pray. Therefore, the children must like to pray and so I shall make them do it." But what business is it of yours whether another parent's children are praying? How would you feel if another parent tried to prevent your child from praying? If you want your child to pray, teach him or her to pray.
I cannot think of any reason you would want to make children observe your "moment of silence" except to brainwash the children of other parents. Publicly led prayer in schools does not give you access to the minds of your children; rather, it gives you (and your religion) access to the minds of other parents' children. I can't help but wonder what it is you want so badly with the minds of other parents' children, that you're willing to go so far as to politically battle for that power?
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Actually, I can see good arguments for some "quiet time" before lessons begin. Not necessarily silence per se, but some time where the students are sitting down, maybe even chatting quietly between themselves. I think it would help everybody settle down before starting to learn, which can only be a good thing, IMO.Ledifni said:
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christianmarine said:
I think prayer is being removed to prepare us for a New World Order.
http://www.theinsider.org/
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Of course, but you did ask "Why would you want to tell schoolchildren to observe a moment of silence?", I was just pointing out that there are good, secular reasons for a period of quiet relaxation just prior to lessons. Best not to throw out the baby with the bathwater and all thatLedifni said:
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