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Praise Song Cruncher by Table Talk Radio

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Maybe there is a point where I have to just let it be and forget certain aspect I can't stand just to get me through and worship freely. I'm not quite sure I'll be able to bring myself to it 100% of the time. I, like twin, can not sing songs I feel are praising man. I'll change the words up to fit my theology. I can't say I'm Reformed, but my Lutheran bias places me closer to them. I find Lutheranism very freeing, despite many dislike the heavy emphasis on Jesus and his work. Everything in church is worship and praises God. The modern church can't see this.

Maybe you might be closing your self off to it. The songs are certainly not worldly concepts. Out of that songs He loves us, You could only find one part to pick at and it was changed. I don't know a song about Jesus love for us could every be praising men. Some people don't like change, they like their soup the same way every day and the older a person gets the worst it seems to get. I think we must keep in mind that traditional worship songs if we go back 2000 or more years might sound funny to the church of that time, they may not have excepted them, instead preferring more traditional songs like the Psalms. They may even make the arugement that if the song was not written in the Bible we should not sing it, and it would be a good arugement for that time.

Music today i see God answering my prayers. I was sick of rock and roll and so many songs that are about the devil. i want to sing songs that move my heart and about God, today's Christian music does that. SO i thank God for it, because we need a place for us in the world and where we can worship God.
 
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Hi mike,

If you'd like to find some good teachers, here's a good place to start:

http://www.oneplace.com/

You'll find many of the stalwarts of the faith teach here. Teachers like James MacArthur, Dr. Tony Evans, C. H. Spurgeon and one of my greatest favorites, the late Adrian Rogers. Most of these are tried and true expositors of the truth and faith.

BTW, I looked up 'The Dividing Line' and I can't find anything on their home page or about us or history page that explains that their cause is for God.

http://thedividingline.com/

Maybe that's not the program that you're referring to but those guys are just babes in the faith when you read how long they've been at it. Now, that's not some condemnation of their abilities and knowledge to teach about God and faith, but certainly should make one pause to check what they teach. There are a lot of internet sites that proclaim to be about God and faith and among them are some who, while that is what they claim to be about, don't seem to have a clue about the subject.

Here's an article worth reading. Not because it talks about the creation, but it clearly points out that Christians have a lot of different understandings about a lot of things in the Scriptures. Some believe the earth to be young (6,000) years old. Others believe that the earth is thousands or even millions or billions of years old as scientists seem to agree on this. But here's the rub. Only one age can be the truth. It is not possible that the earth is both only 6,000 years old and many millions of years old. Our endeavor, as born again believers, is to know and understand the truth. Similarly, with those who hold themselves up as teachers of the truth, you will find a variety of beliefs about various issues brought up in the Scriptures. Was the flood really worldwide; did a deep sea that was at least deep enough to drown an entire army really just part and the waters stand as a wall on either side of the Israelites as they passed through? Did the sun really stand still in the sky over Israel and did the sun at one point actually back up, or the earth reverse its rotation so that a shadow moved backwards over a flight of stairs? If you research these things you will find many who claim to be teachers of the truth espousing various ideas about these things. However, the truth, what actually happened in reality upon the earth in these events, can only be one explanation. So, I'm always careful about 'who' I will allow to teach me the truth. I will listen to any and all ideas that are offered, but I know that there is only one explanation of the many offered, that is the truth.

How do you know that this teaching and idea about the 'cruncher' is the truth? Well, the first step is always: What do the Scriptures say? So I'll ask you, what do the Scriptures say about what is or isn't worthy praise to be sung to God?

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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Ahh, Phillips Craig and Dean. One of my most favorite groups. No, I find that every sentence in that song comes right out of the Scriptures. Their 'Favorite Song of All' just makes my toes tap. However, I respectfully request that you don't label me as Arminian or Calvinist or any other such man-made term to describe what I believe. I'm a born again believer and I believe the Scriptures and the God who caused them to be written. I believe His Son and His Spirit. If you must use labels to describe what others believe you can just label me a born again believer. Thanks.


here's a video of their 72 most popular songs and I enjoy every one of them.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
can i test the limits of your open mind? i don't know if you like blues and this song is on the edge of Christian but i love it. It is about Jesus being our keeper and us as brothers and sisters.

 
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Maybe there is a point where I have to just let it be and forget certain aspect I can't stand just to get me through and worship freely. I'm not quite sure I'll be able to bring myself to it 100% of the time. I, like twin, can not sing songs I feel are praising man. I'll change the words up to fit my theology. I can't say I'm Reformed, but my Lutheran bias places me closer to them. I find Lutheranism very freeing, despite many dislike the heavy emphasis on Jesus and his work. Everything in church is worship and praises God. The modern church can't see this.

Hi mike,

No, you don't have to appreciate every praise song as far as your personal tastes in what constitutes a praise song. But I don't think you or the hosts of the radio program in going from, "I don't like this song", to "This song is not a worthy praise song", have the authority given from the Scriptures to necessarily make that determination for everyone else. As far as songs that praise man. I wouldn't sing them either, but none of the ones you've posted, or any of them that have come into this discussion, fit that description.

twin wrote: I will not sing about how much I love Jesus because my love for Him is not worth mentioning, especially compared to His love for me. I will not sing about how I found Jesus because I didn't find Him, He was never lost, He found me.

I don't equate my singing that I love Jesus or how I found Jesus, as being equal to being a song praising man. They are praising God and Jesus, but they explain our response to Him. The idea that 'I love Jesus' comes straight from the lips of Jesus. He talks about how we should love him and the Father and these are just songs that affirm that we are believing and striving to practice what he has taught us we should be doing. The fact that Jesus is lost to many and that we need to find him also comes straight from the Scriptures. Jesus said that he has come for the 'lost' sheep of Israel. Now, twin thinks to imagine that singing how someone 'found' Jesus means that he was lost, but that's not really the truth about the lost/found relationship. Jesus is hidden from us, or lost to us, unless we find him. Jesus also speaks about this relationship when describing to the Jews how they would search for him after he was gone but wouldn't 'find' him.

I love Jesus and I found Jesus are both Scriptural teachings. Now twin is free to not like such songs, but doesn't have the authority to say that they aren't valid interpretations, and thus are not worthy of being valid praise songs. Both constructs are valid interpretations of the Scriptures and thus, worthy to be sung in praise to the one I love and the one I have found. However, twin is free to participate or not in such musical praise. I suppose that twin would probably likely have a hard time telling someone, "I love Jesus". It would seem that if someone could tell someone that they love Jesus that they'd also be willing to put those words to music. I personally, can't find much difference in my saying that I love Jesus and my singing to someone, especially since it's to the one I love, that I love them.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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can i test the limits of your open mind? i don't know if you like blues and this song is on the edge of Christian but i love it. It is about Jesus being our keeper and us as brothers and sisters.


Hi blue,

It's played pretty regularly on our local Christian radio station. Yes, it's about Jesus. As he asked of the children of Israel, who is my brother and sister and mother? His answer: Whoever does God's will is my brother and sister and mother."

This song portrays that relationship. He is our brother. We are co-heirs with him of the promise of his Father. The song tells us, that based on this relationship, let him carry our burdens and be with us when we are all alone. Need to Breathe is another group that has done some great believer's music, and they hail from my neck of the woods. They are from Seneca, SC and I live right there. I'm not sure that I'd classify their music as blues, but maybe. I like their 'Washed by the Water'. It's a song about one who rests in the fact that even though this life has storms, if one is a baptized, born again believer in the Lord, there is no fear of these things.

So, does that make my 'open mind' limitless? LOL

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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Hi blue,

It's played pretty regularly on our local Christian radio station. Yes, it's about Jesus. As he asked of the children of Israel, who is my brother and sister and mother? His answer: Whoever does God's will is my brother and sister and mother."

This song portrays that relationship. He is our brother. We are co-heirs with him of the promise of his Father. The song tells us, that based on this relationship, let him carry our burdens and be with us when we are all alone. Need to Breathe is another group that has done some great believer's music, and they hail from my neck of the woods. They are from Seneca, SC and I live right there. I'm not sure that I'd classify their music as blues, but maybe. I like their 'Washed by the Water'. It's a song about one who rests in the fact that even though this life has storms, if one is a baptized, born again believer in the Lord, there is no fear of these things.

So, does that make my 'open mind' limitless? LOL

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
:) your mind is beyond limits lol :p i like our chats, thank you for following Jesus. I find you always try to be as He was. i do the same but fail often one day I'll get there right. You have so much info on this songs, i just know what speaks to my heart. My heart tells me that is truth.

The way Christian music has gone has made me very happy. there was never much music that would get me moving to God, so I listen to worldly music about Love, and that was enough for a while I guess but oh how I longed for they day I could move and sing from heart a song about God, and its finally here.

Maybe I should have said need to breath is soulful. I would love to see scott stapp from creed with his voice get on board and start singing for God. He comes close but he is just not there yet.

Have you heard this song?

 
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Hi blue,

It's played pretty regularly on our local Christian radio station. Yes, it's about Jesus. As he asked of the children of Israel, who is my brother and sister and mother? His answer: Whoever does God's will is my brother and sister and mother."

This song portrays that relationship. He is our brother. We are co-heirs with him of the promise of his Father. The song tells us, that based on this relationship, let him carry our burdens and be with us when we are all alone. Need to Breathe is another group that has done some great believer's music, and they hail from my neck of the woods. They are from Seneca, SC and I live right there. I'm not sure that I'd classify their music as blues, but maybe. I like their 'Washed by the Water'. It's a song about one who rests in the fact that even though this life has storms, if one is a baptized, born again believer in the Lord, there is no fear of these things.

So, does that make my 'open mind' limitless? LOL

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
ok I got one for you limit less mind :) i think scott needs to work on it, its not a praises song i would say, heck maybe it is. It shows what is possible. I been telling scott sing for God join the christian music movement, rock n roll all most killed you now try singing for God. Maybe he will here God calling him to do this.

 
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Hi mike,

Well, I shall wait with bated breath. I'm curious how it can fail at all five categories by your understanding, yet others don't seem to get it. I would tend to think under such an explanation that it isn't others who don't get it, but I could be wrong.

However, at whatever point this particular song fails the 'cruncher' test isn't really the issue. For me, the issue is that there is a proposal on the table that we ban, or at least consider unworthy, songs that don't meet a particular test that is not based on anything we find in the Scriptures, but rather on a set of rules that describe an individual's or a group of people's preference in praise music.

I get that not all people like all praise music and that's just human nature. Music, like pretty much any other kind of art form, is a matter of personal appeal. It is an individual's expression of how they see or relate to something. A song writer sits down and comes up with a set of words that they then put to music and, in the case of Christian music, if it gains some popularity and expresses a genuine understanding that is true about God, or describes the individual's relating to God, some fellowships might choose to use it within their congregational fellowship.

Amazing Grace is a song that Mr. Spafford wrote as a result of a terrible, terrible family tragedy. In his great suffering he came to find comfort in the knowledge of God's amazing grace and set his hope on the day that all those who are born again will receive the reality of God's promise. It is a wonderful song that describes a truth about God. It has become hugely popular, as I believe it should be, but there was a day that it didn't exist.

Today we have new 'artists' who write different songs that describe different attributes and blessings of our God. They are, so long as they portray a truth about God or one's relationship to God, just as valid to be considered praise worthy music in fellowship as Amazing Grace. Now, surely among the fellowship there are going to be some who do like one song, but don't like another, and I get that. But, if the song portrays a truth about God, His Son, His Spirit or His word, or the struggles that some have in their relationship with God and how God is their comfort and their provider, then I believe that such a song is worthy to be considered a praise song. And I get that not everyone is necessarily going to like each one because of it's style or the sound of the music, but that, like the judgment made for all art forms, is purely and completely a matter of personal taste. So, for matters such as that, then born again believers should default to Paul's instructions about such matters.

Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. It is written: " 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.' " So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God. Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men. Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall. So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

Paul begins this by writing to us that there are 'disputable matters'. It is not just one singular matter, but there are at least a few. He mentions two of them that I imagine were big on the radar in his day. Food that is eaten and days that were held up as special. I'm confident that these two issues are not the only issues that Paul was referencing as 'disputable matters'. I think it good for us to at least try to practice this teaching among our fellowships. Some judge congregants based on the clothes that they wear. Some judge music based on their personal preferences. Some judge the teaching based on the clothes the teacher is wearing or his manner of delivery. We are a people, and I'm just as guilty at times as anyone else, who relish in making judgments in these 'disputable matters'.

I don't particularly like attending fellowships where the majority of the singing is the old 200-300 year old slow and plodding hymns. I like to see some life in the fellowship. More joy expressed that, at least for me, gives an indication that there is a sincere love and appreciation for who God is and all that He has done for us. That seems to show that they truly understand how utterly depraved and sinful they are but rejoice in having received the great and awesome and unworthy love of the One who created all things. The Scriptures seem to support this idea that believers should be joyful. Surely that should be seen in the gathering of believers. Maybe not so much all the time in an individual's expression. After all, the Scriptures also allow that we should mourn with those who mourn and so I wouldn't expect an individual to be always 'up'. But, in a fellowship of several dozen or several hundred people, why don't we see the joy that we are told to have in all things among some of them. Especially in our praise and thanksgiving.

I suppose my attitude may be reflective of some of the teachings I have received since being born again about 18 years ago. I had a wonderful teacher do a teaching once on praise within the body of believers. It was one of those large fellowships with the humongous screens up front and so one morning after all the singing and announcements and before the teacher took the podium, the screen came on with one of Michael Jackson's concerts. People were screaming and yelling and the camera came in close to some of the faces and you could read the lips of those saying, "I love you Michael!" It was just a cacophony of noise and jubilation directed towards Michael Jackson. Yes, the screens then went dark and teacher came up and basically said that for the believer, our joy in knowing Jesus and all that he has done for us, should be at least the same measure as what the world pours out to those that it claims to love. He did quickly point out that he wasn't advocating for all the noise, but merely the attitude of the heart.

I suppose that message made an impression on me that I have since carried over into my worship with any fellowship of believers. I love Jesus and I love God. I enjoy and appreciate the words that my Father has caused to be written to me and I love His Spirit which gives me understanding while also convicting me of my sin. I love God! I am not ashamed or embarrassed to let anyone know that I love God! And when I sing my praises to God, I am really singing my praises to God. I picture His throne above me and Him seated upon it and here I am on the earth standing in front of that throne of my Creator and singing praise to Him that I want Him to hear. I lift up my outstretched hands just as those people at the Michael Jackson concert, but they aren't directed towards any mortal man, but to my Father. Just as a child holds out his hands and cries 'Abba', 'Father', so am I.

If that discomforts someone I am sincerely sorry, but know that my physical and outward expression is in no way ever thought by me to be some show to others. I am seeing the throne of God before me and holding out my hands to Him. I am looking into the face of Jesus in that moment and praising him for his great work that I may also be seen as a pure and spotless lamb in my Father's eyes. I am, in those moments, filled with such a great weight of joy and thankfulness, that I would likely suffer an aneurism if I didn't show some outward physical expression of my great love for the one who died in my place.


Now, maybe others just don't feel that same fire burning inside of them, but honestly I have to ask, "Why not?"


God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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Hi blue,

No, I'd never heard 'Wasteland' before. The Scott Stapp song certainly tells of the many great miracles and the life that Jesus lived while he was among us, but I'm not sure I could sing the words, 'Jesus was a rock star'. It is, however, a song that I could listen to and understand the truths that it contains. I think the point is that among the staid and proper community, being a rock star is pretty much a condemnation of a sinful lifestyle. And yes, it very, very often is. But Jesus, in his day, lived and walked outside of the accepted understanding of the staid and proper community of faith and understanding of the things of his Father, and so, in that way of living a bit different than what the proper people think, Jesus was a rock star. There, I said it!

I am, in my praise music and listening preference, not inclined to the 'heavy metal' sound and this particular song does seem to border on that genre. I don't condemn the music carte blanc, but it's not my personal preference. If I had been a born again believer 40 years ago, it may have.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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Hi mike,

Well, I pulled up your referenced site and yes, on the surface it looks like a place where one would find good teaching. I certainly agree with all that is in their 'statement of faith'. I'll have to do some listening. I had heard of Alpha and Omega ministries before, but never really gotten involved with it. I'm curious, and I couldn't seem to find it in my brief research on the site, is this radio program hosted by Bryan Wolfmueller a part of the Alpha and Omega ministries? I ask, because I don't find him when I go to Table Talk radio on the Alpha and Omega website and the quality of the site post that you gave certainly doesn't seem to be up to the quality of the Table Talk radio program in their links.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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Maybe you might be closing your self off to it. The songs are certainly not worldly concepts. Out of that songs He loves us, You could only find one part to pick at and it was changed. I don't know a song about Jesus love for us could every be praising men. Some people don't like change, they like their soup the same way every day and the older a person gets the worst it seems to get. I think we must keep in mind that traditional worship songs if we go back 2000 or more years might sound funny to the church of that time, they may not have excepted them, instead preferring more traditional songs like the Psalms. They may even make the arugement that if the song was not written in the Bible we should not sing it, and it would be a good arugement for that time.

Music today i see God answering my prayers. I was sick of rock and roll and so many songs that are about the devil. i want to sing songs that move my heart and about God, today's Christian music does that. SO i thank God for it, because we need a place for us in the world and where we can worship God.
When I survey the Wondrous Cross
The Old Rugged Cross
To God be the Glory
Jesus paid it all

Do these hymns move your heart?
 
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thanks mike,

So, from what I gather the two organizations are not affiliated. While AOM does have a 'Tabletalk' link, it seems to go to a different ministry than 'tabletalkradio.com'. Under the 'tabletalkradio.com' link to affiliates, there is no mention of AOM. I just wanted to get that straight because I find that AOM has some wonderful teachings, but not so much 'tabletalkradio.com'. I listened to the one in which they crunch 'God's not Dead' by the Newsboys. He obviously isn't too familiar with the group. The group is one of my favorites also and 'God's not Dead' is not only a really great song about God, but the movie was good also. They both express so well how we live in a fallen world among a sinful people and that we, the born again believers, are called to live in this world and be light and salt among the people of the world. It is, of course, denied by the hosts as being a worthy praise song and even brings up the issue that it likely isn't even a good Christian song because they talk about just passing it through some envisioned Christian song cruncher.

I guess for my part I'll just have to admit that I'm not one to enjoy and appreciate and support Christian music -- based on their standards of what constitutes such a thing. Ok, I admit it. Moving on now. Of course, as I have often mentioned throughout these posts, I'm not particularly in agreement with their establishment of the standards that they have chosen as being necessarily either biblically based or based on what God expects of us.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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When I survey the Wondrous Cross
The Old Rugged Cross
To God be the Glory
Jesus paid it all

Do these hymns move your heart?

Hi mike,

I know that you directed this question to blue, but I just though I'd give you my feelings on it. Yes, when I sing any of those songs I'm similarly moved to raise my hands and sing them to my God. I'll often voice in the middle of singing 'Jesus paid it all' my thanks to him. 'To God be the glory' is also one of my favorite worship and praise songs.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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Hey blue,

You know, Phillips, Craig and Dean were brought up here and I just have to take this opportunity to say that one of their most favorite songs to me, is 'I want to be just like you'. That song was my battle standard in raising my son and I can fully and faithfully and thankfully testify that God faithfully upheld His promise to me in that.

By raising my son up, I don't mean that I took him to fellowship services, although I did, but that I raised him up to know God. When he would act up, which honestly was very, very rarely, my question to him was always, 'Son, do you think God is pleased with what you did?' I never made it about me and my expectations for him, but rather God and His expectations for him. When putting him to bed at the ages of 5 and 6 or so, I didn't read him fairy tale books, but we read through the Proverbs of the Scriptures. Each night I would sit with him lying in bed and I'd read a chapter of the proverbs. I have to say that I'm glad he didn't ask a lot of questions when we got to the parts about the wayward wife. On family trips we talked about the things of God. What the Scriptures said about this or that. I raised my son in the way that I believe God commanded Israel to raise their children. Not to leave it to some body of people that we call the church; not to leave it to the school system or friends and relatives, but for me to take an active and participatory position in teaching my son through the Scriptures, the things of our God, His Son, His Spirit and His word.

Friend, today my son is bright, loving, caring, successful in both his faith and his career endeavors. He has never once raised his voice to either me or his mother. Neither of us have ever once had to raise our hand against him. He has never been in trouble in school or among society. He is a staunch YEC believer and supporter and I give all the glory to God. I fully understand and comprehend that it was not anything that I did, but rather what God did with what I gave him. And I love God even more that He has kept that promise to me towards my son. Praise God!

I can also provide testimony for what often happens to children who are raised without such instruction as God commands of parents. I talk with 'christian' parents all the time that are having problems with their children and when I ask if they have followed God's command in raising them, they invariably tell me that, yes, they always carried them to church. My testimony is that taking your children to church isn't what God commanded in this. He asks that we, the parents, teach our children about Him. That we talk about the things of God with them when we rise up and when we lie down and as we travel along the pathways. I encourage that it be done as soon as they are old enough to begin reading.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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Ted, They aren't affiliated, no.

I get what you are saying. I had issues with many songs in Christian music prior to discovering them. Much of my issues have all been with theological accuracy. One thing I will admit to openly is I don't do life application. I don't get it at all. I read Scripture and I see Scripture saying what it says. I don't read about Abraham Lincoln for life applications. So songs like How He loves bothered me prior to this Cruncher. I'm unamused at such a poetic license they use. Does it move me? Sure, just like any Coldplay song moves me. It's about the feeling you get from hearing it instead of the words.

I can also understand Bryan's position, which really comes from the purpose of church. He and the Lutheran LCMS stance is the church is to provide preaching of the gospel, forgiving of sins and administer the sacraments. This is certainly not the position of the baptist church, nor the rest of evangelical Protestantism. So from his position as a Lutheran, the songs have gone beyond the scope of sound doctrine.

I find a bit of a attraction to Lutheran theology because of their focus on the gospel. Maybe I'm just burnt because my previous church changed its church preaching to the point I felt it left Scripture to private reading. My previous church was Northwoodchurch.org if you want to find fault in my stance. I have no issues criticizing my stance. If I did then I wouldn't be here. I still respect the Sr. Pastor. Not the preaching.
 
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Hi mike,

Well, let me ask you, what is the purpose of the church? Of course, before I ask that question I'd better see if we're even close to being on the same page, who or what is 'the church'?

You say you don't do 'life application'. Let me ask another question. By 'life application' do you mean to say that you don't apply what the Scriptures teach in the daily living of your life? If, on the other hand, you mean by this that you don't see any benefit of music that might sing about how God's word, being applied to one's life, should be sung about, then we're probably going to just have to disagree on that point.

For me, worship music is beneficial in what it teaches about the things of God in either the direct quotation of Scripture or by how it made a difference in someone's life.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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Hi blue,

No, I'd never heard 'Wasteland' before. The Scott Stapp song certainly tells of the many great miracles and the life that Jesus lived while he was among us, but I'm not sure I could sing the words, 'Jesus was a rock star'. It is, however, a song that I could listen to and understand the truths that it contains. I think the point is that among the staid and proper community, being a rock star is pretty much a condemnation of a sinful lifestyle. And yes, it very, very often is. But Jesus, in his day, lived and walked outside of the accepted understanding of the staid and proper community of faith and understanding of the things of his Father, and so, in that way of living a bit different than what the proper people think, Jesus was a rock star. There, I said it!

I am, in my praise music and listening preference, not inclined to the 'heavy metal' sound and this particular song does seem to border on that genre. I don't condemn the music carte blanc, but it's not my personal preference. If I had been a born again believer 40 years ago, it may have.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
. I am impressed, way to act like Jesus. I mean that, you are doing a good job of following Jesus from what i see, keep it up you are a blessing and give others hope.

I think you got what Scott was saying. I also took it as another name for rock start is rock god. I think Scott was also showing some play their between the way people worship rock singers and how we should worship Jesus, As a rock star. Imagine if people put that kind of worship to God, it would be a different world.
 
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