So as your User Title says, "It's just a game, right...?" If this is a game then you're not really outright lying to everyone, right? You're just playing.
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So as your User Title says, "It's just a game, right...?" If this is a game then you're not really outright lying to everyone, right? You're just playing.
I am not lying. The game quote is from the count of Monte Cristo. As I said I would be happy to post links if my post count was over 50. I have no reason to come here and troll. I have actually read these forums for quite a while now as it was interesting to read the debate. I just wanted to put in some of my own views is all.
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I also sometimes make the argument that Fundamentalists are worshipping The Bible. However, they actually do believe that The Bible was written as if by God's own hand. Neither of us accept such an assertion, but they do. If you look at it from their perspective, then The Bible deserves special reverance since it was written by God. I view this as a an untruth, as I know you do as well (with the possible exception af the Ten Commandments), but it is one they swallow hook, line and sinker. But, let's say they were correct. Would their reverance for The Bible then be misplaced?
I do view Creationism in general as a Wolf in Sheep's Clothing. However, a wolf knows he/she is a wolf, especially if they purposely disguish themselves as something else. But creationists do not see themselves as wolves.
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Someone here -- and I can't remember who -- has an excellent tagline that describes your reaction to being ostracized quite well: I reject your divinity and substitute my own.
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Or more relevantly in this case, "you guys are being ignorant judgemental prunes, seeya".
Creationism will only serve to push more people away from Christ the longer it persists, and this is an example of it.
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No it won't -- since Jesus, Himself is a creationist.
Why do you think He's called 'the Creator'?
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Reality disagrees with you - as usual.
Only according to creationists, whose opinions and personal interpretations of the Bible are, well, just that.
Why do you think that limits him to one means of creation?
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From what I understand, a Christian is determined by his/her personal relationship with Christ, not by their church attendance. Did you have this personal relationship with Christ? What was it like? If you did, why would you walk away from that relationship just because your congregation is afraid of science? How do you think Jesus feel about your walking away from Him because of what others did? This does not make sense to me at all.
If God is indeed the creator of the physical universe, as you use to believe, then don’t you think He would be into physics, and that your congregation's view of physics is indeed skewed? And if the problem is with your congregation's distorted view of science, and not with God, then why did you walk away from God to become an Atheist? This part has me totally confused.
It seems to me that you have some silly ideas yourself, ideas that can turn people off from you just like you were turned off from your congregation. Your former congregation had silly ideas about science and now you have silly ideas about Christianity? What's up with that?
And you obviously believed them, because you are now an Atheist pursuing physics. So they were right.
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I don't, and many others like me don't either.
The 10 Commandments are not commandments for Christians. They were Jewish commandments that are now outdated. Christians are not required to live by any commandments that has a number "10" in front of them.
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You keep adding to my confusion as to why you turned you back on Christ because of what others did. You seem to believe in being "Christlike". What does it mean to you to be "Christlike"? Does "Christlike" have any meaning to you since your conversion to Atheism?
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I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one.
Like I say, interpreting the Scriptures literally, forces even those hostile to Them to agree to acknowledge what It said.
They may not agree with It themselves, but they can't deny It said that.
Anyone who interprets Jesus is not the Creator, is doing it in spite of the Bible, not in respect to It.
In addition, according to [your?] logic, all it would take to falsify your statement is one non-creationist to believe Jesus is the Creator.
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Ahhh... but we do not define ourselves by rejecting creationism. Most creationists seem to define themselves by rejecting evolution, or at least, common descent. That's why they talk more about evolution than creationism.
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While I understand what you are saying here, does it really surprise you that a person may reject a religious belief based on the actions of its followers? In particular, those whom you know best and felt betrayed by?
As far as "Christlike," I would say yes, this can have meaning even if you are not a Christian. I see Jesus as an excellent role model.
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Not I -- and it still doesn't matter.
I tackle evolution by talking about its antithesis.
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