Practical Eschatology: What I need to do.

[Douggg]

If you believe that the -he- is the church and that the church will be removed out of the Earth to Heaven where God reside before that the man of sin is revealed you are wrong.

I don't think so. If you think differently then you are going to have to explain who the he is in 2thessalonians2:7 with some biblical based rationale.

The he is Jesus. He - the body of Christ, the church, is what is going to be taken out of the way before the man of sin is revealed.

 

[Riberra]

I don't think so. If you think differently then you are going to have to explain who the he is in 2thessalonians2:7 with some biblical based rationale.

The he is Jesus. He - the body of Christ, the church, is what is going to be taken out of the way before the man of sin is revealed.

The he is Jesus which is actually in Heaven sitting at the right hand of God.
The man of sin is Satan....
Revelation 12 and Revelation 13 tell us about what will happen when Satan will be unleashed on the earth...when the he will let the man of sin....

Revelation 12
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

 

[Douggg]

The he is Jesus which is actually in Heaven sitting at the right hand of God.
The man of sin is Satan....
Revelation 12 and Revelation 13 tell us about what will happen when Satan will be unleashed on the earth...when the he will let the man of sin....

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

But you didn't address this part (in blue) of 2Thessalonians2:7. The man of sin will not be revealed until the "he" (the body of Christ) be taken out of the way - i.e. gathered unto Jesus. Plug in your identification of the "he".

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he [Christ] who now letteth will let, until he [the body of Christ] be taken out of the way.

The believers corporately are the body of Christ. Jesus is going to take his body out of the world in the gathering to himself.

 

[Riberra]

But you didn't address this part (in blue) of 2Thessalonians2:7. The man of sin will not be revealed until the "he" be taken out of the way - Plug in your identification of the "he".
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he [Christ] who now letteth will let,

The he is not the Church on the Earth.The he is in Heaven.

 

[Douggg]

The he is not the Church on the Earth.The he is in Heaven.

Jesus was already in heaven when Paul wrote to the Thessalonians. So the "he", to be taken out of the way, cannot be Jesus Himself, as Jesus is already in heaven.

It is his corporate body here on earth that will be taken out of the way. That's what with-holdeth the man of sin being revealed.... the rapture must take place first.

2Thessalonians2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Let's insert your interpretation...

2Thessalonians2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he [Jesus] who now letteth will let, until he [Jesus in heaven] be taken out of the way.

..your interpretation doesn't make sense to me, Riberra.

 

[Riberra]

Jesus was already in heaven when Paul wrote to the Thessalonians. So the He, to be taken out of the way, cannot be Jesus Himself, as Jesus is already in heaven.

It is his corporate body here on earth that will be taken out of the way. That's what with-holdeth the man of sin being revealed.... the rapture must take place first.

2Thessalonians2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

what withhold the man of sin of being revealed is that God will decide the timing...of his revealing.

The rapture is nothing more than our caught up and gathering in the clouds to meet Jesus in the air when Jesus will come on the Earth (Jesus second coming) Matthew 24:29-31)....Jesus will not return to heaven with us after His coming....we will be forever with Jesus to reign with Him here on the Earth.

 

[Douggg]

what withhold the man of sin of being revealed is that God will decide the timing...of his revealing.

The rapture is nothing more than our caught up and gathering in the clouds to meet Jesus in the air when Jesus will come on the Earth (Jesus second coming) Matthew 24:29-31)....Jesus will not return to heaven with us after His coming....we will be forever with Jesus to reign with Him here on the Earth.

Riberra, I am still stuck on why you think Jesus will be taken out of the way? Jesus is on His Throne in heaven. Who is going to take him out of the way? Jesus is in heaven.

The man of sin's act of going into the temple of God, sitting, claiming to be God - is here on earth.

 

[Riberra]

Riberra, I am still stuck on why you think Jesus will be taken out of the way? Jesus is on His Throne in heaven. Who is going to take him out of the way? Jesus is in heaven.

The man of sin's act of going into the temple of God, sitting, claiming to be God - is here on earth.

The man of sin is Satan .
Who do you believe will decide that the time is come for the man of sin to be revealed in his time?
Who do you believe will let the man of sin (Satan) doing what he want on the Earth for a short time ?
This is all part of God's end times scenario before the Coming of Jesus and our gathering unto Him.

 

[Douggg]

The man of sin is Satan .
Who do you believe will decide that the time is come for the man of sin to be revealed in his time?
Who do you believe will let the man of sin (Satan) doing what he want on the Earth for a short time ?
This is all part of God's end times scenario before the Coming of Jesus and our gathering unto Him.

The Lord Jesus Christ will allow the man of sin to go into the temple of God, sit, and claim to be God; but that is not the issue.

What is not making sense about your interpretation is that Jesus Himself has to be taken out of the way. Who is going to take Jesus out of the way? And your interpretation also doesn't make sense also because Jesus is in Heaven, not here on earth where the audacious act will take place.

 

[Luke17:37]

The Great Tribulation should start between now and 2018. 1948 + 70 = 2018. According to King David in Psalm 90:10, a generation is 70 years or so; and since Israel became a nation in 1948, I base it on "this generation shall see all these things come to pass" (Matt. 24). In addition to the events that have happened and are happening in the world now, the stage is being set in the Middle East, the economies of the world are about to tank and immorality has increased and corrupted the best of us over the last 50 years and so Judgment Day is imminent. We have seen better times, especially in America; times when the family was unified, when the country was united and prosperous, when "In God We Trust" meant something to everyone, when marriage was between a man and a woman, abortion illegal, when welfare didn't exist, drugs were rare and everyone was brought up with a work ethic that promised the American dream if you worked hard enough.
What should you do? That's the question and can only be answered for each individual by God's calling. He prepares for us what we should do, whether it is to evangelize, plant seeds, warn people, occupy till He comes or simply just give an answer, a testimony, some guidance to a neighbor that comes into your path with a question or in need of some help.
It's difficult to figure what God wants us to do (that is of course once you've been born again) beyond reading and studying the Bible, learning from a good pastor and attending church year after year, serving, loving one another, etc. I wrote a book about Christianity, I thought that was what God wanted me to do; but it didn't do well and lies dormant, so I'm not sure if it was really His purpose for me. So, it's confusing sometimes and personal, that is, what God wants you to do. 2.3 billion Christians all live different lives with different experiences that all contribute to the Body of Christ in some small way.

I believe "these things" was referring to the false Christs and the deceived; the wars, the famines, and the earthquakes; the severe Christian persecution (genocide) and apostasy; the gospel reaching every nation, tribe and tongue; the abomination that causes desolation; the signs in the heavenly bodies;
the false returns of Christ... not Israel becoming a nation again in 1948. When Jesus gave this prophecy, He didn't focus on Israel too much.

I still think we have a little ways to go, although it's happening fast.

There's a prophecy in Hosea 5:14-6:3 that suggests Messiah will go away until the Jewish revival. "After two days" they are revived, and then they are restored. Perhaps the revival of Israel will take place as early as 2,000 years after Jesus departed, and His return would be soon after that. 2,000 years after Jesus left is believed to be 2033, so I don't think the Tribulation can start until 2027 at the earliest.

 

[Riberra]

The Lord Jesus Christ will allow the man of sin to go into the temple of God, sit, and claim to be God; but that is not the issue.

What is not making sense about your interpretation is that Jesus Himself has to be taken out of the way. Who is going to take Jesus out of the way?

Jesus himself by the act of not restraining the man of sin which is Satan anymore...in due time

And your interpretation also doesn't make sense also because Jesus is in Heaven, not here on earth where the audacious act will take place.

The man of sin Satan is in Heaven untill Jesus decide that the time is come to let him go...

Revelation 12
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

 

[Douggg]

Jesus himself by the act of not restraining the man of sin which is Satan anymore...in due time

The he is taken out of the way. The man of sin who is going to commit the act is not in heaven. Satan is not in the third heaven, either. Nothing is going to go on in the third heaven for Jesus to take Himself out of the way.

The believers are the body of Christ here on earth. And they are going to be taken out of the way because when the man of sin commits the act, it is going to be really hard times here on earth because the Day of Christ (the Lord) begins.

Which is why Paul gave the Thessalonians those two signs and not to listen to any rumors that the Day of Christ had already begun.

The man of sin Satan is in Heaven untill Jesus decide that the time is come to let him go...

Revelation 12
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

It is not the third heaven that Satan and his angels are cast down from, but the second heaven - which is the cosmos, the universe. Their place, the cosmos, not long afterward, at the sixth seal is going to be removed.

Revelation 6:
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.


The man of sin is not Satan anyway. The person will be temporarily entered into by Satan to carry out the act of going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God - but that is only temporary.

 

[Riberra]

The he is taken out of the way. The man of sin who is going to commit the act is not in heaven. Satan is not in the third heaven, either.
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It is not the third heaven that Satan and his angels are cast down from, but the second heaven - which is the cosmos, the universe. Their place, the cosmos, not long afterward, at the sixth seal is going to be removed.

Explain why Revelation 12:10 say that the accuser of our bethren ie Satan -is- in Heaven accusing our bethren day and night BEFORE God, and then is being cast out ?
Revelation 12:10
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the ACCUSER of our brethren is cast down, which accused them BEFORE our God day and night.
.....
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The man of sin is not Satan anyway. The person will be temporarily entered into by Satan to carry out the act of going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God - but that is only temporary.

The man of sin will be known for sure ONLY when Satan will enter his body and carry out the act of going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God.... Why do you think that Satan will quit the body of that person after that ?

Revelation 13
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

 

[Douggg]

Explain why Revelation 12:10 say that the accuser of our bethren ie Satan -is- in Heaven accusing our bethren day and night BEFORE God, and then is being cast out ?
Revelation 12:10
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the ACCUSER of our brethren is cast down, which accused them BEFORE our God day and night.
.....
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Satan can make a "court" appearance before the throne of God to make his accusations, but Satan is not allowed to roam freely in the third heaven, it is not his, nor his angels, abode.

The man of sin will be known for sure ONLY when Satan will enter his body and carry out the act of going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God.... Why do you think that Satan will quit the body of that person after that ?

Revelation 13
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Near the middle part of the seven years, after the person has been the Antichrist (illegimate King of Israel) for around 3 1/2 years, the man of sin, son of perdition - like Judas was called for his act of betrayal - will become convinced in his heart (magnified) that he has achieved God-hood. I get that from two places. In Daniel 8, about the little horn person. And in Ezekiel 28:1-10, which God has the prince of tyre (a code name for the man of sin) destroyed for becoming magnified in his heart for claiming to be God. Who, the person, "sits" among the seas (a metaphor for the mass of humanity).

Satan wishes to be like the Most High and ascend to the throne of God. The temple is patterned of the real in Heaven. So that is why Satan enters the person temporarily. How long, I can not say, but God has the person killed for his audacious act.... and the person is the mortally wounded head in Revelation 13. At that time Satan would no longer have a body to possess. And the man of sin, slain, finds himself in hell in Isaiah 14.

God has such disdain for the person that in Isaiah 14, he cast the person out of the grave, brings him back to life. Which the person is then becomes possessed by the spirit of the beast in the bottomless pit, transforming the person into the beast himself. Satan is elsewhere, still accusing them in heaven.

Once the person becomes the beast, he makes war on the two witnesses and kills them ending their 1260 days testimony. That will be the last straw for God, and he brings the two witnesses back to life, followed by a huge earthquake. The seventh trumpet sounds and a process begins which the kingdoms of this world will be removed from the dominion of Satan's kingdom, Mystery Babylon, and become the kingdoms of God and His Christ - which the Kingdom of God will become the ruling kingdom here on earth at the end of the time, times, and half times (the second half of the seven years) at Jesus's glorious return.

The first action of that process will be to cast Satan and his angels down from the second heaven, which is going to be removed near the end of the process, at the end of the seven years. The war in the second heaven results in "Babylon is fallen is fallen". That is a referral to Satan and his angels when they are cast down to earth for that final time, times, half times in Revelation 12:14. Satan will no longer be able to make "court" appearance before the throne of God to accuse anyone before God again... from that point forward.

Satan, when he is cast down, will not possess the person, referred to as the beast because that person will already be possessed. How will Satan be worshipped, as it says in Revelation 13? imo, it is by Satan having the ability to incarnate the image (which will be a statue) of the former slain man of sin, who has become the beast, making the image appear to have life. Which the world will be required to worship. Whether it will openly be called Satan worship, by the people of the earth, I don't know.

When Jesus descends down to earth to end the rule of the beast and Satan upon the earth, judging the armies that have gathered at Armageddon to stop his Return, Satan will be bound in chains and cast into the bottomless pit - a different place than where the beast will be cast, the lake of fire.

So therefore, Satan is not possessing the person once the person becomes the beast because of the two different destinations at the end of the seven year. Only for the time, the person conducts the act of going into the temple and claiming to be God - which takes place near the middle part of the seven years - is the person entered into by Satan.

Of course, Satan eventually ends up in the lake of fire also, but that will take place at the end of the thousand years.

The bible does not say what happens to the Abomination of Desolation image of the beast that comes to life and demands worship, but what the bible does say in Ezekiel 28, in referring to the king of Tyre (a code name for Satan), that he will be cast down to earth, and made visible to the kings of the earth, and made to be brought to ashes before them. Ezekiel 28:17-19 (an amazing set of verses).

Ezekiel 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

Which I conclude, the facade of the image, that is, it's physical makeup, whether it is made of gold or whatever, will be melted away by the presence of the Lord Jesus Christ - and there will be Satan on the temple mount, exposed for all the world to see him. Before the lone angel descends and binds him in chains and he is taken away to the bottomless pit.

 

[Riberra]

Satan can make a "court" appearance before the throne of God to make his accusations, but Satan is not allowed to roam freely in the third heaven, it is not his, nor his angels, abode.

Possible,noneless those dwelling in the third Heaven seem very happy the moment that Satan and his angels will be cast out... Revelation 12:12

Near the middle part of the seven years, after the person has been the Antichrist (illegimate King of Israel) for around 3 1/2 years, the man of sin, son of perdition - like Judas was called for his act of betrayal - will become convinced in his heart (magnified) that he has achieved God-hood. I get that from two places. In Daniel 8, about the little horn person. And in Ezekiel 28:1-10, which God has the prince of tyre (a code name for the man of sin) destroyed for becoming magnified in his heart for claiming to be God. Who, the person, "sits" among the seas (a metaphor for the mass of humanity).

The bible does not say what happens to the Abomination of Desolation image of the beast that comes to life and demands worship, but what the bible does say in Ezekiel 28, in referring to the king of Tyre (a code name for Satan), that he will be cast down to earth, and made visible to the kings of the earth, and made to be brought to ashes before them. Ezekiel 28:17-19 (an amazing set of verses).

Lets take a look at Ezekiel 28.

The King of Tyre was Satan himself demonstrated by the setence -Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God-Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth;-Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. indetifying Satan as the man of sin the son of perdition- God sentenced Satan which is the man of sin to destruction in verses 16-19 this will happen after the millennium.

Ezekiel 28

11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more

 

[Douggg]

The King of Tyre was Satan himself demonstrated by the setence -Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God-Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth;-Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. indetifying Satan as the man of sin the son of perdition- God sentenced Satan which is the man of sin to destruction in verses 16-19 this will happen after the millennium.

The King of Tyre is just a code name, not that Satan was the literal king of Tyre.

In the first half of Ezekiel 28, the message is to the Prince of Tyre - who God has killed for claiming to be God. The Prince of Tyre is a code name for the Antichrist, the man of sin....2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

Satan on the other hand is not a man, but an angel, who fell because of self adulation pride....

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Verse 17 above is Satan being cast down to earth from the second heaven along with his angels. At the end of the 7 years, when Jesus returns, Satan is going to get exposed there on the temple mount show that them on the earth will literally see him.

Satan is an angel. The man of sin will be a man. Two seperate beings. Now if you wanted to say that Satan is the father of sin, then I could agree with you on that.

 

[Riberra]

The King of Tyre is just a code name, not that Satan was the literal king of Tyre.

Do you believe that the physical King of Tyre was the one that God refers as >Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; (Ezekiel 28:11-16) ?
Satan was most likely possessing the body of the King of Tyre ,the same way that Satan was possessing the body of Judas Iscariot when Judas betrayed Jesus for some pieces of money...-Thus the reference to the man of sin -

In the first half of Ezekiel 28, the message is to the Prince of Tyre - who God has ]killed for claiming to be God. The Prince of Tyre is a code name for the Antichrist, the man of sin....

The man of sin the son of perdition is a code name for Satan.

2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

Same pattern,same desire to be as God and take the place of God on His seat ...the body of the Prince of Tyre was posseded by Satan...
Who is the man who have succeeded to the prince of Tyre after that he was killed ?Surely the one who became the King of Tyre.

Satan on the other hand is not a man, but an angel, who fell because of self adulation pride....

Satan can appear as a man as well as an angel of light.All angels good or bad have that capacity of shape shifting in human form.Keep that in mind when come the time to interpret the end time scenario which will have for players:

-The beast coming from the bottomless pit ,is one of the chief angels that were cast into the bottomless pit (who have participted into what is described in Genesis 6:1-4) who will became the AC in human form at some point after the 6th seal events .He will appear on the world scene as a great man of peace leading to the union of the World into a one world government and one world religion.

-The beast coming out of the sea is the 10 worldwide kingdoms that will be put in place.

-The beast coming out of the Earth is the false prophet.

-At the mid -point of the tribulation Satan and his angels will be cast out of Heaven down to Earth .Satan will empower the AC and the false prophet >that will be the time of the great wonders and miracles.

-Not long after that, the AC will receive what will look -like a death wound- at the head and will come back to life....that is just a mystification ,Satan at this moment will only be taking the human body form of the AC which was occupied untill that time by the beast (the fallen angel) coming from the bottomless pit....-that fallen angel- will switch his role to became the talking image that will be set in the temple....

-At the moment that the AC will "come back to life" after the "dead wound"at the head he will become the man of sin ready to enter the temple and declare that he his God...and power was given unto him to continue 42 months.

 

[Douggg]

Do you believe that the physical King of Tyre was the one that God refers as >Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; (Ezekiel 28:11-16) ?

No.

Satan was most likely possessing the body of the King of Tyre ,the same way that Satan was possessing the body of Judas Iscariot when Judas betrayed Jesus for some pieces of money...-Thus the reference to the man of sin -

Why?

The man of sin the son of perdition is a code name for Satan.

Can't be, unless you think Judas was Satan, as well.

Same pattern,same desire to be as God and take the place of God on His seat ...the body of the Prince of Tyre was posseded by Satan...
Who is the man who have succeeded to the prince of Tyre after that he was killed ?Surely the one who became the King of Tyre.

No-one succeeds the prince of Tyre because it is talking about the man of sin, the Antichrist.

Satan can appear as a man as well as an angel of light.All angels good or bad have that capacity of shape shifting in human form.Keep that in mind when come the time to interpret the end time scenario which will have for players:

That doesn't mean that Satan will be born into this world, grow up and become the man of sin.

-The beast coming from the bottomless pit ,is one of the chief angels that were cast into the bottomless pit (who have participted into what is described in Genesis 6:1-4) who will became the AC in human form at some point after the 6th seal events .He will appear on the world scene as a great man of peace leading to the union of the World into a one world government and one world religion.

The beast is not an angel. The person called the beast in Revelation 13 will have been born into this world, grows up, and become the Antichrist, then afterward the beast. The beast is not just going to sudden appear from nowhere as a full grown adult.

 

[Ronald]

I believe "these things" was referring to the false Christs and the deceived; the wars, the famines, and the earthquakes; the severe Christian persecution (genocide) and apostasy; the gospel reaching every nation, tribe and tongue; the abomination that causes desolation; the signs in the heavenly bodies;
the false returns of Christ... not Israel becoming a nation again in 1948. When Jesus gave this prophecy, He didn't focus on Israel too much.

I still think we have a little ways to go, although it's happening fast.

There's a prophecy in Hosea 5:14-6:3 that suggests Messiah will go away until the Jewish revival. "After two days" they are revived, and then they are restored. Perhaps the revival of Israel will take place as early as 2,000 years after Jesus departed, and His return would be soon after that. 2,000 years after Jesus left is believed to be 2033, so I don't think the Tribulation can start until 2027 at the earliest.

I can live with that ... another 10 years to enjoy my retirement. I just think now that we have a choice between to evils: Trump VS. Hillary, the end must surely be near. This what America deserves I guess. Obama was the first wave of judgment with the recession. He also set the stage in the Middle East for the GT and ISIS is surely a BEAST.

 

[Riberra]

No.

Agreed....
Then, who was the "one" who was in the garden of Eden that God talk about when addressing these words to the King of tyre.....
Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; (Ezekiel 28:11-16) ?

Why?

Can't be, unless you think Judas was Satan, as well.

Do you know what a satanic possession mean ?

No-one succeeds the prince of Tyre because it is talking about the man of sin, the Antichrist.

You mean that the prince of Tyre was the antichrist...and that Judas was the Antichrist ?

That doesn't mean that Satan will be born into this world, grow up and become the man of sin.

Satan at the mid-point of the tribulation will enter the body of whomever will personify the AC.

The beast is not an angel. The person called the beast in Revelation 13 will have been born into this world, grows up, and become the Antichrist, then afterward the beast.

Do you believe that the one that will become the AC is actually born in the world ?

The beast is not just going to sudden appear from nowhere as a full grown adult.

I have not said that he will appear out of nowhere ....i said he will be known ("appear"/being presented) on the public scene as a great man of peace having the solutions to solve the humanity problems...

Lets see some declarations made by those preparing the way ....

The first president of the United Nations General Assembly, Paul-Henri Spaak, who was also a prime minister of Belgium and one of the early planners of the European Common Market, as well as a secretary-general of NATO, affirmed, "We do not want another committee, we have too many already. What we want is a man of sufficient stature to hold the allegiance of all the people and to lift us up out of the economic morass into which we are sinking. Send us such a man, and whether he be God or devil, we will receive him."


EMPTY SEAT NUMBER 666

The Vacant Seat Number 666 in the European Parliament

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/End of the World/seat_666.htm