PP ties

[benedictaoo]

No, you don't have it straight. I want the pro-life movement to be better. More honest. More charitable. More effective. Less emotional and more rational.

That's not going to happen when you insist on giving props to this organization that doesn't do good but evil. You can say a 1,000 times a day what they do is good but they practice evil and being critical and slandering pro life isn't going to change that fact. You are slandering pro life movement by calling them liars and that they bomb clinics. You must want to take the focus off pp for some reason, I wonder why? I'm having a hard time understanding it's because of the reasons given... that you are the truth and justice police. It doesn't make much sense that this is your reason.

 

[MikeK]

That's not going to happen when you insist on giving props to this organization that doesn't do good but evil. You can say a 1,000 times a day what they do is good but they practice evil and being critical and slandering pro life isn't going to change that fact. You are slandering pro life movement by calling them liars and that they bomb clinics. You must want to take the focus off pp for some reason, I wonder why? I'm having a hard time understanding it's because of the reasons given... that you are the truth and justice police. It doesn't make much sense that this is your reason.

There are no representatives of PP here and precious few pro-choices. This platform cannot be used to change that movement. I can influence /my/ movement, the pro-life movement, in /my/ place, here. Cheerleading and going on about the evils of PP in a place like this doesn't get us very far. Whether what I say or do makes sense to you is of little consequence to me. My allegiance is to God and my ambition is to serve Him, and part of that service is to demonstrate and inspire honesty and transprency in service of all human life from conception to natural death. When I have the ear of a PP defender I seize that opportunity just as I do here - to inspire them to embrace truth and to love and embrace all human life, even if it is hard, even if it costs money, and even if it takes time.

 

[benedictaoo]

What are you talking about?? Only thing that's been done by pro life is exposing pp's selling of babies to researchers. I have no clue to how you're trying to find fault with what the Pro Life movement does in any way helps this cause. But at lease we have established that you are, in fact, here looking for things wrong with Pro Life. That your participation is more about exposing Pro Life's "lies" and not necessarily PP's because after all, we know they lie and are evil.

 

[benedictaoo]

There are no representatives of PP here and precious few pro-choices.

So are you saying you are here to be their advocate? That's a question, not a statement.

 

[benedictaoo]

But I am glad that that I'm not the only one who has noticed that yes, we do have a few pro choices here in OBOB... Thanks for exposing that.

 

[MikeK]

So are you saying you are here to be their advocate? That's a question, not a statement.

No, I am saying that arguing against a population that isn't present in any significant numbers doesn't seem very productive. I will advocate for truth in any instance.

Regarding pro-choice people present, I believe that Antigone and Fantine have stated that abortion should remain legal in some cases. Antigone had the success of her country's laws and their far lower abortion rate than ours to point to, and I don't recall what Fantine's was. In over a decade, those are the only two pro-choice people with any staying power that I recall. I may recall either of their positions incorrectly, if I did I apologize and invite them to correct me.

 

[benedictaoo]

No, I am saying that arguing against a population that isn't present in any significant numbers doesn't seem very productive. I will advocate for truth in any instance.

Regarding pro-choice people present, I believe that Antigone and Fantine have stated that abortion should remain legal in some cases. Antigone had the success of her country's laws and their far lower abortion rate than ours to point to, and I don't recall what Fantine's was. In over a decade, those are the only two pro-choice people with any staying power that I recall. I may recall either of their positions incorrectly, if I did I apologize and invite them to correct me.

No one is arguing against followers of this organization, just you who insists on defending an organization that is evil that you say you don't suporrt. For what reason would you defend this jerkwad organization that you don't suporrt? Oh yeah, cuz you're the truth and justice police...I almost forgot.

 

[pdudgeon]

No, I am saying that arguing against a population that isn't present in any significant numbers doesn't seem very productive. I will advocate for truth in any instance.

what you are forgetting is that everyone here has friends, family, co-workers, fellow students, teachers, neighbors, etc.
and some of us may have a modicum of influence in the lives of those people.
we are not islands existing on our own in this world.

In addition, we can pray to the saints that their influence will also help us.
so yes, keeping abreast of this news and what is being discovered will help all of us
to understand what these women and their babies are going through.

As far as the population of OBOB having a low number of PP supporters to hear the argument against abortion,
the whole population of CF is welcome to come and read the threads here.

This is a full access forum.
Nothing is stopping them from coming here to read the posts and to get good information.

And when they come, isn't it better to have information and facts readily available that could help to save a life?

 

[MikeK]

What life-saving information am I withholding, exactly? Be very specific. How many times in the last 10 days have I stated that PP and/or abortion is evil?

 

[benedictaoo]

You are claiming the information provided by PL is a lie. You know how this looks to those who do suporrt PP? That you also suporrt them.

 

[MikeK]

PL does lie, and so does PP. Let it be known, dear reader, that the fact that some in the pro-life movement are dishonest does nothing to diminish the evil of abortion. Happy?

 

[benedictaoo]

Sigh... You seem to be more vested in bringing PL down by exposing alledged lies.

 

[pdudgeon]

What life-saving information am I withholding, exactly? Be very specific. How many times in the last 10 days have I stated that PP and/or abortion is evil?

this ^^^ is like asking some husband when they stopped beating their wife.
objection! imputing motives and actions not already in evidence.

 

[pdudgeon]

PL does lie, and so does PP. Let it be known, dear reader, that the fact that some in the pro-life movement are dishonest does nothing to diminish the evil of abortion. Happy?

the difference here is that those in the Pro-life movement decried actions like bombing clinics and harassing clients. and the actions stopped.
the Pro-life groups put out very specific responsible behavior instructions covering everyone
who were supporters as well as their own members who wanted to picket abortion clinics.

those instructions were specific on what could be done and what could not be done, how to interact with police,
what could be printed on signs and leaflets, having someone in charge of the group at all times, documenting the pro-life activity,
where they could and could not protest, etc.

 

[MikeK]

the difference here is that those in the Pro-life movement decried actions like bombing clinics and harassing clients. and the actions stopped.
the Pro-life groups put out very specific responsible behavior instructions covering everyone
who were supporters as well as their own members who wanted to picket abortion clinics.

those instructions were specific on what could be done and what could not be done, how to interact with police,
what could be printed on signs and leaflets, having someone in charge of the group at all times, documenting the pro-life activity,
where they could and could not protest, etc.

Some people, many people, in the pro-life movement are honest stalwarts in the service of Christ. I have not denied their existence nor have I taken exception to their methods. My criticisms of some bad apples in the movement should not be seen as a criticism of the pro-life movement but rather an attempt to purge evils from our midst. We are the good guys, we must police ourselves and make sure our actions and methods are above reproach.

 

[MikeK]

this ^^^ is like asking some husband when they stopped beating their wife.
objection! imputing motives and actions not already in evidence.

In what way is asking you for specific examples of the behavior you acuse me of similar to what you suggest here?