Potential Christian with questions

[platform115]

I have always heard that God was with the angels and then there was Satan attempting to overthrow them all. Eventually God was able to contain Satan and form Hell, which is where Satan and his followers were forced to live.

I have never understood this, and am hoping to get some help...
Is there any explanation for where sin came from?
As I understand it, God is perfect and even incapable of sin or evil. But if he created the angels, then how could any of them decided to do evil?

any help appreciated.
Thanks,

-Bob

 

[ScottBot]

I have always heard that God was with the angels and then there was Satan attempting to overthrow them all. Eventually God was able to contain Satan and form Hell, which is where Satan and his followers were forced to live.

I have never understood this, and am hoping to get some help...
Is there any explanation for where sin came from?
As I understand it, God is perfect and even incapable of sin or evil. But if he created the angels, then how could any of them decided to do evil?

any help appreciated.
Thanks,

-Bob

It is quite simple really.

God is perfection. He cannot be imperfect, because that would make Him less than what He is.

Sin is imperfection. It is the voluntary turning away from the perfection that God calls us to.

God created angels and people with free will. He gave us the power to choose, but requires us to live with the consequences of our choice. Since angels are not organic, but rather completely spiritual beings, they have no "learning process". Humans have a brain that filters, sorts, and analyzes information in its quest to learn. Angels have no "brain". They are created already knowing everything they need to know. So, when they make a choice against God, it is fully informed choice and is therefore irrevocable. Humans, since our understanding is gradual, can realize the error of our decisions and it is why we are given the ability to repent of our mistakes (sins) and become reunited with GOd's call for perfection.

So, in short, the "beginning" of sin was the moment Lucifer (Light-bearer) chose against God and for himself. His name was changed to Satan (Adversary) and he was cast out of heaven. The gist of the matter is that Satan chose to serve himself over God, which is the foundation of ALL sin, vanity.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I have always heard that God was with the angels and then there was Satan attempting to overthrow them all. Eventually God was able to contain Satan and form Hell, which is where Satan and his followers were forced to live.

I have never understood this, and am hoping to get some help...
Is there any explanation for where sin came from?
As I understand it, God is perfect and even incapable of sin or evil. But if he created the angels, then how could any of them decided to do evil?

any help appreciated.
Thanks,

-Bob

Hi. You are asking good questions, and you will get many different views depending on how the different Christian denominations view the Bible.

For myself, I simply view it is a journey of the OT/OC Adam in Genesis being cast out of the Garden and YHWH once again making a Way for the Adam to come back into the Garden, and that is through His Christ, JESUS.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Genesis 5:5 And they are becoming all of days of Adam which he lives, nine hundreds year and-thirty year and he is dying [1 corin 15:22].

Zechariah 13:5 And he says 'Not a-prophet I, man tilling ground/0127 'adamah I, that adam he-caused-me-to-acquire/07069 qanah from youths of me".
And he says to him: "what the smitings/04347 makkah, the these, between hands of you"? And he says "which I was smitten/05221 nakah House of lovers/0157 'ahab of me".

1 Corinthians 15:22 For just as in the Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all shall be being made alive. [Genesis 5:5]

 

[platform115]

Ok, so I understand that part.
But what I don't understand is this;
If nothing exists except God, and he is completely perfect - then that is all that exists. How can a God that is perfect even create the existance of evil in any way??
If there WAS nothing, then how can the perfect God create everything, and then out of the blue... evil appears..

know what I mean??
There was nothing, not even the universe.. then there was everything in 7 days, and evil seems to have been included in that package.
I am having a hard time wrapping my brain around this..
Thanks again guys

 

[tapero]

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[pistolhip2]

Please read old testament Genesis for where sin came from

 

[Digit]

I have always heard that God was with the angels and then there was Satan attempting to overthrow them all. Eventually God was able to contain Satan and form Hell, which is where Satan and his followers were forced to live.

I have never understood this, and am hoping to get some help...
Is there any explanation for where sin came from?
As I understand it, God is perfect and even incapable of sin or evil. But if he created the angels, then how could any of them decided to do evil?

any help appreciated.
Thanks,

-Bob

Hi platform115,

Welcome to CF btw.

I believe you are asking not so much where sin came from in our world, but where the original evil that manifests itself as sin comes from.

To be honest, there is no answer for this in the Bible. So the best we can do is speculate. I can offer you my version of it if you wish though.

Lets think about this in terms of light and darkness.

One doesn't need to create darkness in order for it to exist, darkness is actually the absence of light. This is what I believe the ability to sin is, it's the absence of righteousness, as we see in God.

Think about what the other poster said about God, in that He is perfection. This makes sense in terms of the post above, in that God is righteousness, therefore making it impossible for Him to be unrighteousness. Saying that God created unrighteousness, is like saying that this light I am holding created darkness, it can't be it's light, and only when the light is extinguised is there darkness, but there is no light anymore either.

So, I hope that made sense, I reworded it a few times as I thought it could come across as garbage hehe.

Cheers!
Digit

 

[ScottBot]

Hi platform115,

Welcome to CF btw.

I believe you are asking not so much where sin came from in our world, but where the original evil that manifests itself as sin comes from.

To be honest, there is no answer for this in the Bible. So the best we can do is speculate. I can offer you my version of it if you wish though.

Lets think about this in terms of light and darkness.

One doesn't need to create darkness in order for it to exist, darkness is actually the absence of light. This is what I believe the ability to sin is, it's the absence of righetousness, as we see in God.

Think about what the other poster said about God, in that He is perfection. This makes sense in terms of the post above, in that God is righteousness, therefore making it impossible for Him to be unrighteousness. Saying that God created unrighteousness, is like saying that this light I am holding created darkness, it can't be it's light, and only when the light is extinguised is there darkness, but there is no light anymore either.

So, I hope that made sense, I reworded it a few times as I thought it could come across as garbage hehe.

Cheers!
Digit

This is a good post.

 

[platform115]

Digit,

Thank you for your response. I noticed you said that there isn't really an answer for this in the Bible. That's what I was trying to figure out, (if it was there and I just couldn't figure it out, or it wasn't there).

I greatly appreciate you sharing your ideas of how to possibly explain this though. It made great sense and was very clear.
I also want to thank you for taking my question seriously and talking to me about what you think.
I have posted this same question in several forums on different Christian websites recently and have been repeatedly ignored, insulted, or deleted by moderators.

Again, thank you for your help you have definitely clarified the whole scenario for me.

-Bob

 

[tapero]

oops edited as thought I was posting to op...sorry, edited.