Posting in fellowship

[Cribstyl]

My 6yr old son preached at a SDA church on last Sabbath, I stood at the podium on one side of him (wife on the other side) as brother in Christ with the members of a local SDA church we attend. (I did not prepare his sermon)
His message was primarily about "The Three Hebrew Boys.....
He also mentioned a story about a letter written by one of the 33Chilean miners who said there was 34minors.
It was an awesome feeling when the Holy Spirit uses people you know to bring glory to God.
I am Christian and I love all of God's people.


On Saturday evening I went to a Valentines Banquet with my wife.(all Adventist couples)
On Sunday I spoke a few words at a friend funeral who was a SDA member.
I do not have anything against the SDA members.


I want to ask forgiveness for hurtful remarks I have made in the past that dont represent my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.:o:o:o
Please forgive me..... I'm not that smart and I am not inocent.:o

Whether some people like it or not, I'm in the family.
I have feelings like everyonelse and deserve respect like everyonelse at CF.

God is still working on me....
I am here to post in fellowship, not to make disciple.

If the socalled out remnant is a part of the church why should it seem that only the remnant is the church?
Why should what we believe be twisted beyond recognition?

This thread will be a place I will post in fellowship, so bring your sword with you.

May God have mercy on us.
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[OntheDL]

My 6yr old son preached at a SDA church on last Sabbath, I stood at the podium on one side of him (wife on the other side) as brother in Christ with the members of a local SDA church we attend. (I did not prepare his sermon)
His message was primarily about "The Three Hebrew Boys.....
He also mentioned a story about a letter written by one of the 33Chilean miners who said there was 34minors.
It was an awesome feeling when the Holy Spirit uses people you know to bring glory to God.
I am Christian and I love all of God's people.


On Saturday evening I went to a Valentines Banquet with my wife.(all Adventist couples)
On Sunday I spoke a few words at a friend funeral who was a SDA member.
I do not have anything against the SDA members.


I want to ask forgiveness for hurtful remarks I have made in the past that dont represent my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.:o:o:o
Please forgive me..... I'm not that smart and I am not inocent.:o

Whether some people like it or not, I'm in the family.
I have feelings like everyonelse and deserve respect like everyonelse at CF.

God is still working on me....
I am here to post in fellowship, not to make disciple.

If the socalled out remnant is a part of the church why should it seem that only the remnant is the church?
Why should what we believe be twisted beyond recognition?

This thread will be a place I will post in fellowship, so bring your sword with you.

May God have mercy on us.
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Crib,

The true remnant are the individual true believers, not a denomination nor an organization.

I haven't read all your posts, but I don't think they ever stuck out to me particularly. I don't think I've ever had anything against you. So all is forgiven as is asked.

None of the SDAs (certainly myself) should feel we have all the truth and are beyond reproof. So lets exalt the truth and work out our own salvation diligently. God can work with an honest person.

 

[Cribstyl]

Is there scriptures that sez; "we must keep the commandments in order to go to heaven?"


Posting a few selected text can be confusing if words are not carefully explained
It does matter by what is understood by "the commandments" in the context of certain scriptures.

In my studies I find that posting these 2 text without it's context is not enough to settle the facts of this question.......

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
Is it possible that Jesus was speaking about what He taught in the person of Jesus Christ and through His Apostles rather that only what Moses recieved?
Does not the doctrines of Jesus Christ based on faith in what in written about Jesus?

The context of Rev 22 distinguishes between Jesus and the Father (and the Holy Spirit).


Matthew 19:17 So Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.''
Here Jesus is talking about the commandments given through Moses. Commentary failing to note that Jesus was not glorified as yet, thus all the Children of Israel were under the whole law.


The fact that Jesus said;
Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Jhn 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Jhn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

By logic, "being born again" is not one of the ten commandments, but it's undeniable one of the many commandments of Jesus written by John.



Jhn 6:40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

By logic having "faith in Jesus Christ" is also not one of the ten commandments.



This text below seem to make it clear that keeping the law is not a factor in our judgment,,, Rom 3:28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

 

[Cribstyl]

Crib,

The true remnant are the individual true believers, not a denomination nor an organization.

I haven't read all your posts, but I don't think they ever stuck out to me particularly. I don't think I've ever had anything against you. So all is forgiven as is asked.

None of the SDAs (certainly myself) should feel we have all the truth and are beyond reproof. So lets exalt the truth and work out our own salvation diligently. God can work with an honest person.

Praise God OntheDL I trully appreciate the fresh start with you.......... I do have to communicate better.......

God bless

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I too, accept your apology and ask that you accept mine. I get more than a little defensive (which I need help with) when I perceive someone scoffing or deriding our beliefs... this will become a big problem for me if I cannot overcome it before the world comes against us. I ask for your prayers that the Holy Spirit is able to help me stay in God's love and grace.

I do not know you personally and it is sometimes hard to develop relationships online as text does not convey the subtle nuances of communication. The internet is a double edged sword and we need to be aware of it's effect on us, good and bad.

I know that you and I have been at odds on numerous occasions. I would like if we could bury the hatchet and move on in love and brotherhood.

 

[Cribstyl]

I too, accept your apology and ask that you accept mine. I get more than a little defensive (which I need help with) when I perceive someone scoffing or deriding our beliefs... this will become a big problem for me if I cannot overcome it before the world comes against us. I ask for your prayers that the Holy Spirit is able to help me stay in God's love and grace.

I do not know you personally and it is sometimes hard to develop relationships online as text does not convey the subtle nuances of communication. The internet is a double edged sword and we need to be aware of it's effect on us, good and bad.

I know that you and I have been at odds on numerous occasions. I would like if we could bury the hatchet and move on in love and brotherhood.

I accept your apology and look forward to respectful communication in future. I can understand sometimes how it feel to hear someone tear down what took a lifetime to build. I get carried away at times. I will try to be sensitive to Trad Ad as I am with my family.
Sheeze......

 

[stork321]

Crib, congrats to your 6yr old son preaching in front..Its hard for me to imagine that a 6yr old boy preaching because here in our church, usually children are just singing and doing memory verse

 

[k4c]

Is there scriptures that sez; "we must keep the commandments in order to go to heaven?"

Posting a few selected text can be confusing if words are not carefully explained
It does matter by what is understood by "the commandments" in the context of certain scriptures.

In my studies I find that posting these 2 text without it's context is not enough to settle the facts of this question.......

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
Is it possible that Jesus was speaking about what He taught in the person of Jesus Christ and through His Apostles rather that only what Moses recieved?
Does not the doctrines of Jesus Christ based on faith in what in written about Jesus?

The context of Rev 22 distinguishes between Jesus and the Father (and the Holy Spirit).

Matthew 19:17 So Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.''
Here Jesus is talking about the commandments given through Moses. Commentary failing to note that Jesus was not glorified as yet, thus all the Children of Israel were under the whole law.

The fact that Jesus said;
Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Jhn 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Jhn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

By logic, "being born again" is not one of the ten commandments, but it's undeniable one of the many commandments of Jesus written by John.
John 6:40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

By logic having "faith in Jesus Christ" is also not one of the ten commandments.

This text below seem to make it clear that keeping the law is not a factor in our judgment,,, Rom 3:28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

The New Testament can not contradict the Old Testament. All throughout the Old Testament we find prophecies concerning the new birth and how God will put His Spirit in a people and cause them to obey His commandments. This will estabish a people that God can call His own.

Ezekiel 36:24-29 "For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. "Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. "I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. "Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. "I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you.

This is the foundation of the new covenant.

Jeremiah 31:33 "But this is the new covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After those days, says the Lord, I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Hebrews 8:10 "For this is the new covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After those days,'' says the Lord, "I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

When God puts His Spirit in us, through the new birth, He will not force us to obey Him, but rather, He will change our desires. We will be a new creation with and whole new way of thinking. Sin will become exceedingly sinful. The things that God loves, we will love and the things that God hates, we will hate. It will be like father, like son.

The words Jesus spoke is the spirit and the life of the new covenant. The words Jesus spoke didn't do away with the Law, they magnified them and restored honor to them.

Prophetic words concerning Jesus' ministry:

Isaiah 42:1-3 "Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles. He will not cry out, nor raise His voice, nor cause His voice to be heard in the street. A bruised reed He will not break, and smoking flax He will not quench; He will bring forth justice for truth.
Isaiah 42:21 The Lord is well pleased for His righteousness' sake; He will magnify the law and make it honorable.

Matthew 12:17-19 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying: "Behold, My Servant whom I have chosen, my Beloved in whom My soul is well pleased; I will put My Spirit upon Him, and He will declare justice to the Gentiles. He will not quarrel nor cry out, nor will anyone hear His voice in the streets. .

One of the commandments Jesus restored honor to was the Sabbath. Religious man placed a heavy burden on Sabbath keeping even to the point of the Sabbath being more important than human needs. When Jesus corrected this misconception honor was being restored and the people rejoyced.

Luke 13:14-17 The synagogue leader was angry, because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath day. The leader began to say to the crowds, "There are six days for work. So, come to be healed on one of those days. Do not come for healing on the Sabbath day!'' The Lord answered, "You hypocrites! All of you untie your ox or your donkey from the stall and lead them to drink water every day--even on the Sabbath day! This woman whom I healed is a daughter of Abraham but Satan has held her for 18 years. Why can't she be untied from her sickness on the Sabbath day?'' When Jesus said this, all the people who were opposing him felt ashamed of themselves. The whole crowd was happy. They were thanking God for the wonderful things Jesus was doing.

Love is the spirit and life of Jesus' words but love does not come without defination.

Romans 13:8-10 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery,'' "You shall not murder,'' "You shall not steal,'' "You shall not bear false witness,'' "You shall not covet,'' and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'' Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

The problem with the Law is that people can keep the Law without love. This is called, legalism. The words and life example of Jesus corrected these misconceptions and made alot of religious people mad.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Excellent post!! It's always good to see what we have from where it came from. The entire Word of God is in complete unity just as God's requirements of His people is ever the same.

 

[Cribstyl]

Crib, congrats to your 6yr old son preaching in front..Its hard for me to imagine that a 6yr old boy preaching because here in our church, usually children are just singing and doing memory verse

Thank you.....thats how the seed is planted..

 

[Stryder06]

Lurking...

 

[Cribstyl]

Excellent post!! It's always good to see what we have from where it came from. The entire Word of God is in complete unity just as God's requirements of His people is ever the same.

From my perspective what K4c spits out here needs to be researched before saying Amen to it......
His commentary added to Eze 36 to makes it appear as if the gathering of the Children of Isreal are not the literal people the text is prophesying about, who were first scattered by God. Eze 36:19And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.
Eze 36:24For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
His comments attached to scripture saying (This will estabish a people that God can call His own.) implies that another people will be regathered rather than those whom God scattered. You quickly say Amen...I say, not so fast.

Posting Jeremiah 31 stacks up more dominoes to this issue. (I will make comment more of his post because I've know those scriptures from my youth as well)

But why should I continue spend days and hours looking at long commentary designed to use God's word to validate commentary?

You and others may ask why is Crib always here???
I take time to study everything so I understand what some people will teach my children. May God help us.

 

[k4c]

Lurking...

Don't think that we can't see you...

 

[Cribstyl]

Whoops....I have to correct an error on my comment about Rev 22:14.
Jesus was talking about God's commandments by saying His commandments"

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

The big question is does He mean exclussively "the ten commandments?"

Another serious fact to research is " What manuscript should we trust concerning Rev 22:14?

ESV - Rev 22:14 -Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates. Footnote:
* Some manuscripts do his commandments

 

[k4c]

From my perspective what K4c spits out here needs to be researched before saying Amen to it......
His commentary added to Eze 36 to makes it appear as if the gathering of the Children of Isreal are not the literal people the text is prophesying about, who were first scattered by God. Eze 36:19And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.
Eze 36:24For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
His comments attached to scripture saying (This will estabish a people that God can call His own.) implies that another people will be regathered rather than those whom God scattered. You quickly say Amen...I say, not so fast.

Posting Jeremiah 31 stacks up more dominoes to this issue. (I will make comment more of his post because I've know those scriptures from my youth as well)

But why should I continue spend days and hours looking at long commentary designed to use God's word to validate commentary?

You and others may ask why is Crib always here???
I take time to study everything so I understand what some people will teach my children. May God help us.

Do you understand dual prophetic applications? This is when God speaks of, lets say a people or a person in OT times, but He is also referring to a people in the future. For example, "Behold! My Servant whom I uphold". Who is God referring to here and when is this taking place?

Isaiah 42:1-9 "Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles. He will not cry out, nor raise His voice, nor cause His voice to be heard in the street. A bruised reed He will not break, and smoking flax He will not quench; He will bring forth justice for truth. He will not fail nor be discouraged, till He has established justice in the earth; and the coastlands shall wait for His law.'' Thus says God the Lord, Who created the heavens and stretched them out, Who spread forth the earth and that which comes from it, Who gives breath to the people on it, and spirit to those who walk on it: "I, the Lord, have called You in righteousness, and will hold Your hand; I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people, as a light to the Gentiles, To open blind eyes, to bring out prisoners from the prison, those who sit in darkness from the prison house. I am the Lord, that is My name; and My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images. Behold, the former things have come to pass, and new things I declare; before they spring forth I tell you of them.''
Isaiah 42:21 The Lord is well pleased for His righteousness' sake; He will magnify the law and make it honorable.

And who is God referring to here and when is it taking place?

Ezekiel 36:24-29 "For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. "Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. "I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. "I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. "Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. "I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you.

Is this talking about them or us or both them and us?

 

[Stryder06]

Whoops....I have to correct an error on my comment about Rev 22:14.
Jesus was talking about God's commandments by saying His commandments"

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

The big question is does He mean exclussively "the ten commandments?"

Another serious fact to research is " What manuscript should we trust concerning Rev 22:14?

ESV - Rev 22:14 -Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates. Footnote:
* Some manuscripts do his commandments

I guess my question is, would Jesus' commandments be different from those of the Father since Jesus said everything He came to taught was that which the Father had instructed Him to teach.

 

[Stryder06]

Don't think that we can't see you...

 

[Cribstyl]

Do you understand dual prophetic applications? This is when God speaks of, lets say a people or a person in OT times, but He is also referring to a people in the future. For example, "Behold! My Servant whom I uphold". Who is God referring to here and when is this taking place?

Isaiah 42:1-9 "Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles. He will not cry out, nor raise His voice, nor cause His voice to be heard in the street. A bruised reed He will not break, and smoking flax He will not quench; He will bring forth justice for truth. He will not fail nor be discouraged, till He has established justice in the earth; and the coastlands shall wait for His law.'' Thus says God the Lord, Who created the heavens and stretched them out, Who spread forth the earth and that which comes from it, Who gives breath to the people on it, and spirit to those who walk on it: "I, the Lord, have called You in righteousness, and will hold Your hand; I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people, as a light to the Gentiles, To open blind eyes, to bring out prisoners from the prison, those who sit in darkness from the prison house. I am the Lord, that is My name; and My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images. Behold, the former things have come to pass, and new things I declare; before they spring forth I tell you of them.''
Isaiah 42:21 The Lord is well pleased for His righteousness' sake; He will magnify the law and make it honorable.

Yes, I am aware of dual prophecies in the bible.
Yet still, the scriptures you posted from Eze36 appears to be in part and only selected to support your commentary.

Notice, my attention to your questions.

To my understanding Isa 42:20 and 21 is not a dual prophesy, so I'm guessing that you only want me to consider this text as saying;

When Jesus come He will magnify the law and make it honorable.

We see this prophesy fulfilled at the sermon on the mount.

There is much more to apply to understanding from these text than the law as being exclussively the ten commandments.


respectfully
CRIB

 

[Cribstyl]

I guess my question is, would Jesus' commandments be different from those of the Father since Jesus said everything He came to taught was that which the Father had instructed Him to teach.

Some questions are designed to isolate discussion to keywords like; "law" and "commandments" to create a logical conclussion to keep the ten commandments. Let's not ignor the whole truth.
What did Jesus came to preach, the kingdom of God or the law?
All we have to do is read all that Jesus commanded to His followers and claimed was His commandments to realize that the ten commandment are not exclussive, but rather some moral imperatives that are incorporated into all His commandments.

All churches believe that God is Holy and we should strive to be Holy too. Having to defend people saying to me; "if you're not under the law, you can steal, kill and live lawless lives is commentary I often call "a scam" to steal member from other churches.
Some people would indignantly claim; He wrote it in stone with His finger!!!!" My response is "He came in the flesh and died to fulfill it."

Some people's faith is based solely on the idea that the bible is only about the law of God rather than faith in Jesus Christ and all the He is to us.

Jhn 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Jhn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

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Playing into your hands for a minute Stryder....let's look at a parallel to the given of the ten commandments at Sinai.

At the sermon on the mount Jesus said.....
Mat 5:17¶Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

In my opinion some commentary tends to desecrate the wisdom given in these texts by saying more than is being said.
The KJV was the only source for the doctrines of our ansestors.
Scan this whole chapter from the NIV and notice that the law in question is not exclusively the ten commandment.
Next Chapter

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

All we have to do is read all that Jesus commanded to His followers and claimed was His commandments to realize that the ten commandment are not exclussive, but rather some moral imperatives that are incorporated into all His commandments.

I believe that the Ten Commandments were not part of a greater list of Commandments but rather the other way around... all of Christs teachings were in line with the decalogue.

It's all perspective imo.

I believe, and I know most Adventists do as well, that the Laws of God, the decalogue, are the Laws of God's Governmant, of the universe. If you look at what Lucifer did to transgress, it was breaking the first, second, fifth, seventh, ninth and tenth Commandments.