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Featured Possible renderings of "El shaddai"

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Leaf473, Oct 15, 2020.

  1. Leaf473

    Leaf473 Member

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    That's a possibility. The JW's I was planning to talk to were probably going to say there was a big difference between "mighty God" and "almighty God".

    (As I understand it, this isn't the right section of the forum to discuss JW theology. But I'll be happy to discuss that in a different section, if someone wants to.)
     
  2. Der Alte

    Der Alte This is me about 1 yr. old. Supporter

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    I saw a Dr. recently while I was in the examination room waiting for him to come in I perused his diplomas on the wall. I would not dream of taking medical advice from anonymous people online.
    ....Several decades ago I studied theology, the biblical languages etc. at an accredited graduate learning institution. All of the professors had published more than one peer reviewed books. I have some of them.
    I don't accept the unsupported opinions of every anonymous person posting online as if they, and they alone, have the correct interpretation of scripture.

     
  3. Der Alte

    Der Alte This is me about 1 yr. old. Supporter

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    [STAFF EDITED DELETED QUOTE]
    Everybody with a Strong's thinks they are a Hebrew and Greek expert despite the fact that Strong's has been found to have about 15,000 errors or omissions.
    Few if any lay people would dare challenge the advanced education of doctors, lawyers, accountants etc. but have no problem dissing theologians with no, zero, none evidence, nothing but their own unsupported opinions..
     
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  4. ~Cassia~

    ~Cassia~ Psalm 65, Numbers 6:2 Supporter

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    My posts wouldn’t fall into the unsupported category, but if you want to stick with outdated books that’s your prerogative.
     
  5. Andrewn

    Andrewn Well-Known Member CF Ambassadors Supporter

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    The word שד also refers to demons. The pleural is [​IMG] [Deut. xxxii. 17; Ps. cvi. 37].

    DEMONOLOGY - JewishEncyclopedia.com

    What do you make of this?
     
  6. ~Cassia~

    ~Cassia~ Psalm 65, Numbers 6:2 Supporter

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    I didn’t read the link because I don’t like to infer demonology when discussing the name of God. But in any reading of ש it can mean chaos or sufficiency depending on the surrounding letters.
     
  7. Der Alte

    Der Alte This is me about 1 yr. old. Supporter

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    I don't refer to "outdated books." I would be willing compare the quality of the sources I quote vs. the ones you quote.
     
  8. ~Cassia~

    ~Cassia~ Psalm 65, Numbers 6:2 Supporter

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    I didn’t quote sources I was making a point. If you meant the drawing I don’t remember where it came from.
    Oh the article? It had good starting points to begin a discussion which you didn’t acknowledge any of
     
  9. Der Alte

    Der Alte This is me about 1 yr. old. Supporter

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    The vowel pointing is different. Not the same word.
     
  10. Andrewn

    Andrewn Well-Known Member CF Ambassadors Supporter

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    I'm sorry, which vowel do you mean? The word has 2 consonants: one pronounced like the sound 'sh' and the 2nd pronounced 'd'.

    I realize that if we change the position of the dot on the 1st letter, it can be pronounced like English 'th' but this sound is absent in modern Hebrew.
     
  11. Der Alte

    Der Alte This is me about 1 yr. old. Supporter

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    As the Israelites assimilated into other cultures they added vowel points to the letters above, below, and in the letters to aid in pronunciation.
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  12. ~Cassia~

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    אֵל שָׁדַּי

    The word שָׁד ShaD has a much closer grammatical connection to ShaDai and it means – “breast.” Moreover, when a word ends with an “i”or “ai” it is almost always means “my”. So, literally, “El Shadai” could very well mean “God (is) my Breast/s”.

    The letter in the middle of the word has special significance in giving the essence of the entire word. That letter is שָׁ. It was El Shaddai that told Abraham to look up into the stars and count his descendents. Where do we see שָׁ in the stars? In the freed woman, a sign that this information wouldn't be allowed to be held captive forever.

    Because this conversation isn’t at all conducted in a peaceful manner this will be my last post in it.
     
  13. Jesus is YHWH

    Jesus is YHWH my Lord and my God ! Supporter

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    Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the Lord God Almighty !

    Try using this argument with them on the identity of the Alpha and Omega !

    These passages in Revelation make it clear that Jesus is God. Remember it is Jesus in the NT who is Coming back to earth that every eye will see. It was Jesus who was pierced on the cross for our sins. John is clearly once again calling Jesus God!!!!!!! The Coming and the coming in the clouds never refers to the Father in the NT but always to Jesus.

    Revelation 1:7-8
    7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.
    8 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

    We know from Revelation 1:8 that Alpha and Omega is the Almighty. So we can see that Christ is the Almighty

    Revelation 1:17
    17And when I saw Him, I fell at his feet as dead. And He laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I Am the first and the last:

    We know from Revelation 1:17-18 that the first and the last is He that lives, was dead but is alive forevermore is Christ.

    Revelation 2:8
    "To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again.

    Revelation 22:12-13
    12 "Behold, I Am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. 13 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

    We know from Revelation 22:13 that the first and the last is the Alpha and Omega.

    Revelation 22:16,20
    16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star."
    20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I Am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

    The immediate text clearly tells us that it was Jesus who was pierced and who is Coming in the clouds. This person coming in the clouds is God(Jesus-the Son of Man),

    Daniel 7:13-14
    And behold, with the clouds of heaven
    One like a Son of Man was coming,
    And He came up to the Ancient of Days
    And was presented before Him.
    14 "And to Him was given dominion,
    Glory and a kingdom,
    That all the peoples, nations and men of every language
    Might serve Him.
    His dominion is an everlasting dominion
    Which will not pass away;
    And His kingdom is one
    Which will not be destroyed.

    Matthew 24:30-31
    30 "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.

    Matthew 26:64
    Jesus said to him, "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN."

    1 Thessalonians 4:17-18
    Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

    Revelation 1:7-8
    7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.
    8 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

    So we can see that the One who comes/is coming in the NT always refers to Jesus the Son of Man and NEVER refers to the Father. Therefore we can conclude it is Jesus who is coming whom John calls God the Alpha and Omega. This is sound biblical exegesis based on the context of the passage as well as the principle established in both Testaments on the One who is Coming in/with the Clouds- The Son of Man not the Father !!!!!!

    Isaiah 44:6
    Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel
    And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
    'I am the first and I am the last,
    And there is no God besides Me.

    Isaiah 48:12
    "Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called;
    I am He, I am the first, I am also the last.


    hope this helps !!!
     
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  14. Der Alte

    Der Alte This is me about 1 yr. old. Supporter

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    When one makes a grammatical argument it would be most helpful if they quote a peer reviewed grammar or lexicon.
    See e.g.
    http://www.epctoronto.org/Press/Pub...ar for Beginners (James A. Hughes, Ph.D.).pdf
     
  15. Leaf473

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    Hi Jesus is YHWH, thank you for the nice post!

    I'll be happy to talk about my experiences with the JW's. My impression is that this wouldn't be the right section of CF for that. If you'd like to open up a new thread in the debate other religions section, I'd be happy to meet you there. Just let me know!

    Debate Other Religions & Faiths
     
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    Der Alte This is me about 1 yr. old. Supporter

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    I quote the Jewish Encyclopedia quite frequently. I consider it quite authoritative concerning historic Jewish faith and practice and not so much on other matters. Are you addressing any particular point or what?
     
  18. Der Alte

    Der Alte This is me about 1 yr. old. Supporter

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    Please see this post at the top of this forum re: proper forum for discussing JW.
    ALL READ - LDS and JW threads
     
  19. Leaf473

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    do you consider it authoritative on the subject of possible renderings of el shaddai?
     
  20. Leaf473

    Leaf473 Member

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    There are loads of new LDS and JW posts in the link that I posted
    Debate Other Religions & Faiths

    Many of the LDS threads are "Featured", implying the blessing of the CF staff.

    My hope was that some JW's would stop by, or that I could invite the JW's I'm currently talking with. ☺️
     
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