Possible Fulfillment of Prophecy

[Barraco]

I want to suggest the possibility that prophecy is being fulfilled before our very eyes. I say possibly because my lack of knowledge of Jewish culture and how they traditionally conduct war. What I have noticed, though, is that Jesus made a very specific prophecy about Jerusalem’s desolation and when that desolation would be lifted.

““Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Look, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’””
- ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23‬:‭37‬-‭39‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Some may recognize that last passage from Psalm 118:26.

“Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. From the house of the Lord we bless you.”
- ‭‭Psalms‬ ‭118‬:‭26‬ ‭NIV‬‬

What is fascinating is that the entire Psalm talks about how God gave Israel military success against those surrounding him after having endured his chastisement for his waywardness. Just before verse 26, the Psalmist says concerning their fight with the surrounding nations, “LORD save us! LORD grant us success!”

This passage was prayed by the armies of Israel on October 28, 2023 as they prayed around one of their tanks before they launched their ground invasion of Gaza.

If you read Joel 3, Zephaniah 3, Zechariah 12, Ezekiel 37, and many more Old Testament prophecies, the pattern of prophecy follows as such: 1) Israel chastised by God, 2) Israel restored by God to their land and city, 3) God fights alongside Judah and Jerusalem against the nations surrounding them, 4) their Messiah comes and established a reign of righteousness.

I believe we have been and are seeing the third step in that prophetic pattern taking place before our eyes and, very soon, the Jews will say, “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.” Then, and only then, I believe, the temple will be built.

Thoughts?

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Psalm 83 is nearing fulfillment imho.

 

[timothyu]

The Arab-Israeli war of '48, the 7 day war of '67 and even the Yom Kippur war of '73 all had a sense of protection of them by a higher power. This one no. No one is marvelling this time.

 

[Barraco]

The Arab-Israeli war of '48, the 7 day war of '67 and even the Yom Kippur war of '73 all had a sense of protection of them by a higher power. This one no. No one is marvelling this time.

Over 5,000 rockets being fired into Israel from the north and south in less than a month and being intercepted seems to suggest a higher protection.

I think this is the next phase. The Two Witnesses. It is written that fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies if anyone tries to harm them. This power is granted for a figurative 1,260 days as Israeli military victory and that of her allies witnesses to whole world who the true God is.

 

[timothyu]

Over 5,000 rockets being fired into Israel from the north and south in less than a month and being intercepted seems to suggest a higher protection.

No, just American technology and homemade rockets

 

[timothyu]

I think this is the next phase. The Two Witnesses

Yes that will come but not until much later. If all the handmaidens children rise up against Israel after Israel becomes a true Hebrew nation of all 12 tribes, not just the Jewish one, and a peace accord is reached with them all, we might be ready for the two prophets. What we are seeing now is an excuse to reclaim all the territory that once belonged to Judah and not even the original Israel that Judah broke away from.

 

[Barraco]

Yes that will come but not until much later. If all the handmaidens children rise up against Israel after Israel becomes a true Hebrew nation of all 12 tribes, not just the Jewish one, and a peace accord is reached with them all, we might be ready for the two prophets. What we are seeing now is an excuse to reclaim all the territory that once belonged to Judah and not even the original Israel that Judah broke away from.

Zechariah 12 says God will restore Judah first, then Jerusalem. Then it shows everyone mourning for the one they pierced. I am optimistic that their salvation, and the salvation of all of Israel, is near.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

The Arab-Israeli war of '48, the 7 day war of '67 and even the Yom Kippur war of '73 all had a sense of protection of them by a higher power. This one no. No one is marvelling this time.

So you say. But I think you are very wrong, The goal of Israel's enemy is to completely eliminate the Jews. Christians should understand the plan of our Heavenly Father. Father is very angry with Israel's enemies. You are going to see the same deliverance of Israel as before and Israel will increase it's territory. Read Psalm 83.

 

[timothyu]

I am optimistic that their salvation, and the salvation of all of Israel, is near.

Not until they allow their brethren tribes back in. So far they have been refused while carrying on the schism of the original Israel. Jesus didn't say to His apostles to go to all the Hebrew nations for nothing. The good news of the Kingdom was for all Hebrew people first, not just Jews.

 

[keras]

The Bible does not prophesy the end of the world or of total destruction, but of a whole series of carefully timed events that lead up to the great and glorious Return of Jesus. The final countdown of the end times will take years and before the first prophesied event happens, we are told of a few preliminary things that will set the stage for the political, economic and religious climate that is necessary to trigger the Lord’s action. These preparatory steps seem to be falling into place in rapid succession.

It is humanly impossible to resolve the political situation in the Middle East, many countries have failing economies and in many countries; population has outstripped their resources.

Many people today react negatively to anyone who warns about a coming reset of civilization, even though it is obvious that things cannot continue as they are for much longer. They say it is foolish to worry about what may happen, or even talk about the trends and signs that point toward the end time scenario as portrayed in Scripture.

In Matthew 16:1-4, Jesus sternly rebuked the religious leaders of His day for their failure to discern the signs of His first coming. He was fulfilling the Old Testament prophecies and performing miracles, yet they were blind to it all. Likewise today, many religious leaders are doing the same, blinded to prophecy and to the signs that point to an imminent commencement of God’s program of preparation for the Second coming of Jesus.

God is preparing the world stage for His drama of the ages. When the curtain parts, when the heavens are torn asunder, Isaiah 64:1-2, then those who have failed to understand or even to consider the more than 100 prophesies that clearly tell about the forthcoming fire judgement/punishment, they will be shocked and terrified. .

A judgement by fire from the sun, causing extreme heat, violent storms, tectonic plate shift and huge tsunamis, will happen next; Revelation 6:12-17 and it will be a testing time for all mankind. 1 Peter 4:12

Do not hope for a rapture from this first event. The prophesies that tell of a ‘meeting in the air’ refer to the visible Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign, which is to come about ten years later

The greatest threat facing the world is a nuclear armed Iran attacking Israel, along with their proxies and all the Islamic peoples. Isaiah 22:6, Psalms 83
Bible prophecy, our sure guide with proven fulfilled predictions, tells us that this ongoing war will be the trigger for His wrath. Ezekiel 7:14

God’s wrath destroyed the civilization of Noah’s time with a great flood; this time He will use fire to destroy His enemies. The Lord promises to save a remnant of Jews in Jerusalem, Isaiah 31:5 and around the world, all those people who take heed of the warnings to shelter and who call upon His Name for protection, will be kept safe. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21, Isaiah 26:20-21, Isaiah 43:2

Do not doubt; events will unfold as the prophets have so graphically prophesied, so long ago. First this terrible judgement by fire, a massive CME will be blasted out from the Lord’s storehouse, the sun. Deut. 32:34-35, Isaiah 30:26-30

Then the world’s survivors will establish a One World Government, but the great promises of God to the Patriarchs and to His righteous peoples; from every tribe, race, nation and language, will then be fulfilled, as they gather and settle into the Holy Land. Zechariah 10:8-10, Romans 9:24-26

 

[Barraco]

Not until they allow their brethren tribes back in. So far they have been refused while carrying on the schism of the original Israel. Jesus didn't say to His apostles to go to all the Hebrew nations for nothing. The good news of the Kingdom was for all Hebrew people first, not just Jews.

The promises are not determined by the Jews. They are determined by God. The prophecies show God gathering the elect back into Judah and Jerusalem and then calling all nations to Himself. Paul understood that the lost tribes were mixed in with the Gentiles when he wrote Romans 11, speaking on how the Israelites were not forsaken and that the blessings of the Gentiles would lead the Jews to jealousy. These were the ones that received Jesus before and after the apostles were went to them, the prodigals. These are the Church. According to Luke 21:24, end of the times of the Gentiles will be signaled by the Jerusalems return to Jewish rule. So we are waiting on the Jews to be received back by Jesus, not for the lost tribes to be brought back in.

Prophecy is clear. The Jews are restored to their land and city before they receive their Messiah. Even now, there is a remnant of Jews in Jerusalem that worship Jesus. God does not leave His promises up to chance. I truly believe we are seeing the close of the times of the Gentiles.

 

[Marilyn C]

Psalm 83 is nearing fulfillment imho.

Ps. 83 was the 6 day war in 1967.

 

[Fisherking]

Psalm 83 is nearing fulfillment imho.

Psalm 83 has passed us by already. From 1948 until very recently, 10 or so years ago, maybe 15 when Obama gave Iran a Nuclear Missel basically, with his actions as president, which changed the dynamic in the region, at that time those same nations named in Psalm 83 at that point looked at Israel as any ally.

What most people can not see clearly is that Israel, as we speak, are living un unwalled villages, a metaphor by Ezekiel which means in peace, and is that a true statement or not, if it is then Gog and Magog is now at hand, so is Israel living in peace like at no other time?

Well, that is what we need to dissect. Let's see, in 598 BC Israel were toted off to Babylon, since that time, until the 70 AD Diaspora, Israel were under the dictates of one Gentile power after the other from Babylon, to Persia, to Greece to Rome. In the very end (soon) the Anti-Christ will once again conquer Israel. So, it this very moment, no one threatens Israel, her surrounding neighbors long ago gave up trying to invade Israel, yes she has suicide bombers, and terrorists acts, but so does the USA (9/11, The Boston Marathon, etc. etc. etc.) and we are at peace, we are not fearful of an invasion. So, its all relative, Israel, for the first time in over 2500 years is ruling herself, she does not have to do what some Gentile power/king tells her to do, her people can move as they so please, serve any God they wish to serve, and for the most part they are at Peace and living Securely like they have not lived in over 2500 years.

So, people who see those Unwalled Villages and interpret them wrongly, will miss what is at hand, Gog and Magog is upon us now. Not Psalm 83. Those nations are now seen by Israel as allies. We even have the Abraham Accords. So, Gog and Magog is what is nearing fulfillment.

 

[Fisherking]

Ps. 83 was the 6 day war in 1967.

Partially, but I think the 73 war, and the 57 Suez Canal war, and the 1948 war of attrition, and even a few more in the 80s can all be lumped together, because Psalm 83 never gives us a declared winner, which is why some people think its just a Prayer.

 

[timothyu]

People and even the prophets themselves died disappointed the end never came.

 

[Marilyn C]

THE SIX DAY WAR

Speaking three weeks after the war ended, as he accepted an honorary degree from Hebrew University, Yitzhak Rabin gave his reasoning behind the success of Israel:

Our airmen, who struck the enemies' planes so accurately that no one in the world understands how it was done and people seek technological explanations or secret weapons; our armored troops who beat the enemy even when their equipment was inferior to his; our soldiers in all other branches... who overcame our enemies everywhere, despite the latter's superior numbers and fortifications-all these revealed not only coolness and courage in the battle but...an understanding that only their personal stand against the greatest dangers would achieve victory for their country and for their families, and that if victory was not theirs the alternative was annihilation.[163]


Within six days, Israel had won a decisive land war. Israeli forces had taken control of the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank and East Jerusalem from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria.


Psalm 83.

V. 1 - 5 We see the enemies of God & Israel are conspiring together saying `Come let us wipe them out as a nation.`

In 1967 different countries around Israel took counsel together with one accord to destroy Israel from being a nation. For the first time in history these countries forgot their differences. They formed a confederacy to declare a `Jehud` - holy war to wipe the name of Israel from remembrance. These actual words were frequently broadcast over Radio Cairo & published in world newspapers. Unknowingly they were practically quoting directly from prophecy given 25 centuries ago. (Ps. 83: 4)


V. 6 - 8 Even the participants were accurately delineated - under ancient names.


ANCIENT NAME.....................MODERN NAME

Edom, Moab, Ammon................Jordan
Hagarenes, Amalek, Philistines...Egypt
Ishmaelites......................Arabia
Gebal, Tyre......................Lebanon
Assyria..........................Syria, Iraq


V. 9 - 18 And what was the outcome?

`Fill their faces with dishonour,....let them be ashamed & dismayed...let them be humiliated.....` (V. 16 & 17)



Israel AGAINST

OTHERS - Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq & Lebanon, (supported by Algeria, Kuwait, Libya, Morocco, Pakistan, PLO, Sudan, & Tunisia)

Their Strength.

Israel - 264,000 troops, 300 aircraft, 800 tanks.

The Others - 547,000 troops 957 aircraft, 2,504 tanks.



With those numbers and the war over in 6 days I would say the `Others` would be very embarrassed & ashamed. (as scripture tells us)

 

[timothyu]

...that only their personal stand against the greatest dangers would achieve victory for their country and for their families, and that if victory was not theirs the alternative was annihilation

No mention of thanking God. Man still thinking they are in control. They haven't learned even if things are falling into place. Perhaps that is why they will accept a false messiah. Man's will be done, not God's. So simple to understand why it must be reversed but pride rules as it always has among the 'chosen'.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Ps. 83 was the 6 day war in 1967.

Nah. Think about it. What do we know? We know Israel is surrounded by enemies who want to wipe them out completely and take possession of the Holy Land. We know also that our Father will eliminate all of Israel's enemies that surrounds them. So far, that has not happened yet. We know that when Gog/Magog happens, Israel will be at peace and dwelling safely. Israel has been in a state of war since 1948 even to this day. Israel has not increased it's territory since 1967, but we know that the narrow strip of land they now occupy is not all of the land that our Father has promised them. Understand this. There will not be a two state solution. Our Father will not allow it.The land belongs to Him not to the other fellow. And He gave it to Israel.
Gen.15:18 In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

What most people can not see clearly is that Israel, as we speak, are living un unwalled villages, a metaphor by Ezekiel which means in peace, and is that a true statement or not, if it is then Gog and Magog is now at hand, so is Israel living in peace like at no other time?

See post # 18 that answers your ? .

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

People and even the prophets themselves died disappointed the end never came.

Are you saying it will not come?