Possible Demonic Marriage

4jacks · Dec 14, 2005

Whoa...

Lots of spooky stuff going on in this thread....

I'm definitely not into the signs and oil, so you guys are going to have to put together some arguements to convince me any of that is going to do a lick of good...

Don't you remember the people who were trying to cast out Demons in Jesus' Name and the Demon said ... "AND WHAT!!!!" (4jacks translation) and beat them to an inch of their life...

rituals, signs, consencrated items, dances, group hugs, it all doesn't mean anything without the relationship with god... and a relationship with god is enough in and of it's self. You can't add on to it.

Anyhoo... About you wife... You said .. she said to God:

"God if you save my baby from this, i'll give my soul to Satan"

Granted that is a spooky... But what is she asking for, who is she asking and why ??

She is asking for your baby to be saved from this mess
She is Asking God
She is asking God for this becuase she knows only god can deliver it....

The messed up part is that She thinks God somehow wants the Devil to have her soul....

What you need to do, is pick up the bible and teach her that God want her soul for himself (Through Jesus) and that she should be praying

"God if you save my Baby from this Mess I will give you my soul"

She's confused above all else

Leanna · Dec 14, 2005

Oh, and you both need to go to counseling, and she might need personal counseling too for the whole emotional thing she has going on.

(its my job on this forum to state this fact )

Skinster007 · Dec 14, 2005

4jacks said:
Whoa...

Lots of spooky stuff going on in this thread....

I'm definitely not into the signs and oil, so you guys are going to have to put together some arguements to convince me any of that is going to do a lick of good...

Exodus 40:9
And thou shalt take the anointing oil, and anoint the tabernacle, and all that is therein, and shalt hallow it, and all the vessels thereof: and it shall be holy.

Tons of scripture in the bible about anointing oil. I would agree with you on the sign though. And yes the 7 sons got a beat down because they weren't walking in the power of the Holy Ghost. You have to be right with God before you go casting out demons.

4jacks · Dec 14, 2005

Skinster007 said:
Exodus 40:9
And thou shalt take the anointing oil, and anoint the tabernacle, and all that is therein, and shalt hallow it, and all the vessels thereof: and it shall be holy.

Tons of scripture in the bible about anointing oil. I would agree with you on the sign though. And yes the 7 sons got a beat down because they weren't walking in the power of the Holy Ghost. You have to be right with God before you go casting out demons.

Dude, they were killing Goats and Chickens in Exodus....
I'm sorry, but if you light up the bonfire and bring in a goat i'm out of here.
We can do all things through Christ who strengthens us... it's that simple, we don't need to add oils or rituals.

Skinster007 · Dec 14, 2005

James 5:14
Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

No goat killing in the New Testament. Anointing oil is still being used.

Skinster007 · Dec 14, 2005

Mark 6:13
And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them.

FaithAlone · Dec 14, 2005

I've always wondered what the oil was for? And what would make oil blessed? I'm not being sarcastic, just wondering if anyone has any real historical facts on why oil was used even in the New Testament. I think the power of Christ is enough, but oil was used in James and other books in the NT.

4jacks · Dec 14, 2005

Touchee !!!

but in Mark 6:7 jesus gave them superpowers (4jacks translation) and sent the twelve out to do that stuff...

You got Jesus Superpowers I don't know about??

Heck, Jesus rode up to Heaven on a Cloud, I would rather have that one.

4jacks · Dec 14, 2005

FaithAlone said:
I've always wondered what the oil was for? And what would make oil blessed? I'm not being sarcastic, just wondering if anyone has any real historical facts on why oil was used even in the New Testament. I think the power of Christ is enough, but oil was used in James and other books in the NT.

Cuase people didn't shower

Im-revived · Dec 14, 2005

Hey don't think it matters were you post, personally if you've got problems OK.

Im a counsellor called Jane or I'm revived as my username, you can check my profile if your in doubt, but fully Qualified.

I'll tell you now aswell so you know I also know a bit from personal experience myself as I got married with a child at 18. Ive told you that so you'll also realise that obviously I was very young too, if I had my time again then I wouldn't, the only difference there was my husband was 19 yrs older than me, and yes we are divorced now.
If I'm wrong tell me, but I'm presuming you have or had an addiction to pornography and possibly sleeping around. If this is true remember the Lord forgives when we open up.
I'm a bit weary of saying to much on the thread in case you don;t want anyone knowing to much or in case I'm wrong, so If you wish please PM me for help and I'll cut this short. If I'm right then your wife also has big obstacles to get over, but I can assure you she is not possessed, there is a definate reason for her behaviour if what Ive said so far is true. I'm going to be praying you do contact me via PM even if all you say is its me who got married young and I have an addiction. I will know then who you are. I'll leave it there for now to think what you want to do. Please check my profile also to reassure yourself that I am a fully Qualified Counsellor.

Im-revived
Jane

WayOfTheMaster said:
Well first of all I do hope that im posting in the right place. if not please feel free to move this to the correct spot.

Here is the problem.

I am 21 years old my wife is 20. We will have been married now a year on the 23rd of this month.

My wife and were married at age 20 and before that we had only been together for 6 months. Yes Yes Yes . I know I must be crazy right? WRONG. I loved her and I could see myself with her for the rest of my life.

My wife and I also had another reason though. My wife was with child. So that kind of put us in a dead sprint to the alter.

I would like to say I did the romantic thing and got on 1 knee and asked her hand in marriage with a fancy ring. Truth is I never did any of that, we kind of just talked about it, and decided thats what we were going to do.

Before I was married I had a huge addiction. This stayed with me my whole marriage. My wife would constantly ask me Are you being faithful, And me always replying yes ofcorse.

But the truth was I was not being faithful at least physically I was being faithful. yes If you have guessed my addiction good for you.

My wife had always asked me the question of me being faithful because she had been in abusive and cheating relationships so naturally my wife was very very insecure.

I lied to my wife up to the full 6 months of us just going out to 2 months of our marriage. I wanted to stop this addiction with all my heart but I couldn't

It was to strong for me alone to defeat it. I became desperate and bought books. I never really asked the church for help which I regret now. But I tried everything else. I prayed, and read constantly still I was defeated.

One day While I was at work my wife got ahold of a book I was reading to try and help me. My wife brought it up to me on the phone asking me "what is this"? I wanted to lie. But nevertheless I thought to myself the only way to freedom of this addiction is to confess, so I did. I have never seen my wife so down. Its like a had taken any repect she had for me, herself, any ounce of dignity for herself any shred of confidence and destroyed it.

I broke down, and she broke down it was a huge mess. My wife was clearly at the lowest point of her whole life. and she should have, I screwed up big time. Luckily my wife calmed down finally after 2 days and told me she was going to stick with me through this hard time, support me through this. I broke down again and thanked her and GOD for this blessing.After that I did great for awhile.

I still had it bad I again failed and my addiction took ahold of me. I ended up lieing to my wife again, failing to talk to her about anything, in fear that she would leave at this time of need. surly I could not tell my wife that I failed again, exspeacaly after what happen last time.

I finally gained the strength one night after she looked at me for the 8th time and asked me, I told her everything. My wife broke down again, as well as me. However this time she comforted me and talked to me telling me we will beat this and she will be there no matter what.

Its been 2 weeks now and I have been free for this time. Fasting, praying, and reading the bible.

However on my wifes side, she is constantly angry, constantly lashes out, she is verbally abusive now and she is destructive. It literally scares me. there is no trust and the worst is we constantly fight in front of our 4 month old little girl. She has got to this point where I will try and leave. But she always says something as I leave, to not get me to go. If I do leave she comes after me more angry and destructive.

Yesterday we ended up fighting all day. after we were done she said something that really got me. she said She asked God if he would protect our little girl from this mess she would give her soul to Satan. I could not believe what she said. My wife has also started seeing things run past her lately, black figures. she also see's reflections of faces. This has got me in a stage of panic. I don't know what to do. I keep thinking my wife has opened portals in herself and when she gets angry its like shes possessed. My wife always breaks down when were done fighting and cry saying she could see what was happening but she could not stop herself, she says she has no control.

WHAT IS THIS? what do I do about this? I have taken charge to going to my church for help I'm seeing my pastor today after work. and I'm also trying to get in daily prayers and readings in the bible.

Has my wife been possessed? Can we over come this evil that has come into our household?

I have dedicated myself to helping my wife and to doing anything I can to save her and our marriage starting with church discusions and asking you guys..

Please Help.

thank you.

Snapbean · Dec 14, 2005

This is my first post but once trust is broken it takes a long time to rebuild a relationship.
I will be praying.

Beth1231 · Dec 14, 2005

Along with a few others, I highly suggest that you cut the internet connection and get rid of any and all porn that is stashed away. I don't know your job situation, but I also suggest that your wife be given a way to connect you any time of day or night and be able to get a detailed report on what you are doing (without any stalling on your side). Accountability. Can you go to a "Every Man's Battle" workshop and then stay in touch with one of the men who is trained to deal with this? You want your wife to see that you are makign every possible effort to beat this evil into the ground.

InTheFlame · Dec 14, 2005

Praying for you, brother.

A couple of points I want to make:

First, I sometimes wonder if one of the worst things Satan can do to us is stir up chaos and fear and gotta-be-doing-something fever in our heads.

For God is not a God of disorder but of peace.
1 Cor 14:33

The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace
Romans 8:6

May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Romans 15:13

The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.
Romans 16:20

And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
Phillipians 4:7

When you pray, don't just talk... relax all your muscles, breathe slowly and deeply, and listen too. You probably won't hear anything out loud... you might find yourself thinking something which relates (write it down) or a song might come into your head. You might get nothing but relaxed and a little bored. But be quiet, and give God a chance to work.

Second: I'm concerned about your wife. It could just be the emotional turmoil. It's possible that she's being harassed spiritually (not likely, in my opinion - Satan's usually more subtle in my experience). It's possible that she's suffering from a mental illness, and that this episode has been triggered by the stress. If so, a counsellor isn't going to be the best person to diagnose it... a psychiatrist has years of medical training in the area. See if you can find a christian psychiatrist, they might be more helpful in working with your pastor/counsellor.

God bless.

revjayman · Dec 14, 2005

WayOfTheMaster said:
Yesterday we ended up fighting all day. after we were done she said something that really got me. she said She asked God if he would protect our little girl from this mess she would give her soul to Satan. I could not believe what she said. My wife has also started seeing things run past her lately, black figures. she also see's reflections of faces. This has got me in a stage of panic. I don't know what to do. I keep thinking my wife has opened portals in herself and when she gets angry its like shes possessed. My wife always breaks down when were done fighting and cry saying she could see what was happening but she could not stop herself, she says she has no control.

First let me say that demons and demonic forces are for real and I experienced what your wife is experiencing and it is a serious situation.

What would be interested is how she got to that point. She may have tampered with something with the occult that opened the door up.

Before I was saved I was involved in the occult and then I helped others once I was delivered. I used to work in a deliverance ministry for an inner city church. Me and my team ministered to demon possessed and oppressed people and saw many people delivered, but it was a very exhausting ministry. We did a lot of street ministry at night in downtown.

One deliverence we did it took 5 strong guys to hold this women down, she was screaming, swearing and riping on God at the top of her voice. Her foot came up and broke one of our team members nose, but when that demon came out she was normal and at peace. When demons get inside people they strength increase by a 10 fold.

What your wife is describing is typical for people are in the occult or being demonically oppressed or possibly possession. If you try to bring these people to church or close to a church they will get physically sick or get emotional out of control.

My advice is you need to get your wife delivered from the demonic spirit. If your church is not familiar with this then they will probably think you are insane. You need to find an inner-city church that works in the area of deliverance, because a team of experienced people are going to need to help her. People who are in this type of ministry do fasting on a regular basis. If you are in Minnesota I can steer toward a couple of churches.

Go to Google and do a search on occult ministries you should find some good resources there.

After she gets delivered you need to get her life committed to the Lord, get into a small group and a bible study and get some marriage counseling.

Rev

Leanna · Dec 14, 2005

ProfessorMom said:
One practical and important detail that you MUST attend, is to have your wife visit a doctor for a complete physical. Hormonal changes including thyroid malfunctions can cause a host of problems.

From what I read, it sounds to me that there is a very real possibility that your wife is suffering some form of postpartum depression, and that should not be dismissed. Don't delay. Postpartum depression can occur at any time up to, usually, the first year. Your wife just gave birth 4 months ago.

You need to talk with a doctor for her, if she is not open to the idea. Don't push this aside looking for demons, when practical steps should and can be taken.

I would urge you to seek medical help for your wife immediately, and then, to seek counseling. The counselor will advise whether you each need private sessions before you have couple sessions.

Leanna · Dec 14, 2005

Beth1231 said:
Along with a few others, I highly suggest that you cut the internet connection and get rid of any and all porn that is stashed away. I don't know your job situation, but I also suggest that your wife be given a way to connect you any time of day or night and be able to get a detailed report on what you are doing (without any stalling on your side). Accountability. Can you go to a "Every Man's Battle" workshop and then stay in touch with one of the men who is trained to deal with this? You want your wife to see that you are makign every possible effort to beat this evil into the ground.

Definitely. Don't think an addiction to internet porn is easy to get over.... well, obviously you know that... but you gotta pick priorities.

The Bible sez that its better to pluck your eye out than to have your entire soul cast into hell. Not saying you're going there, just saying you gotta pick the priorities and if the Bible thinks that plucking out an eye is an acceptable sacrifice, then I am sure today you can manage to cut off the internet.

bliz · Dec 14, 2005

Not for one second do I doubt that Satan is very active in this world... but I think he's getting way too much credit here! His forces are limited and he must deploy them very carefully. Frankly, there are enough problems in this marriage all by itself that Satan need not \be involved for things to get out of hand.

You guys need some face-to-face help from your church or Christians in your community - some combination of physical care, psychological care and, of course, lots of spiritual care.

Diane_Windsor · Dec 14, 2005

I strongly advise that you speak to your pastor about this situation.

DIANE

gracefaith · Dec 14, 2005

InTheFlame said:
Second: I'm concerned about your wife. It could just be the emotional turmoil. It's possible that she's being harassed spiritually (not likely, in my opinion - Satan's usually more subtle in my experience). It's possible that she's suffering from a mental illness, and that this episode has been triggered by the stress. If so, a counsellor isn't going to be the best person to diagnose it... a psychiatrist has years of medical training in the area. See if you can find a christian psychiatrist, they might be more helpful in working with your pastor/counsellor.

God bless.

ProfessorMom said:
From what I read, it sounds to me that there is a very real possibility that your wife is suffering some form of postpartum depression, and that should not be dismissed. Don't delay. Postpartum depression can occur at any time up to, usually, the first year. Your wife just gave birth 4 months ago....I would urge you to seek medical help for your wife immediately, and then, to seek counseling. The counselor will advise whether you each need private sessions before you have couple sessions.

bliz said:
Not for one second do I doubt that Satan is very active in this world... but I think he's getting way too much credit here! His forces are limited and he must deploy them very carefully. Frankly, there are enough problems in this marriage all by itself that Satan need not \be involved for things to get out of hand.

You guys need some face-to-face help from your church or Christians in your community - some combination of physical care, psychological care and, of course, lots of spiritual care.

I completely agree with all of these posters. Please get your wife some medical attention immediately! Regardless of what you've done and how guilty you may feel right now, you wife is need of serious help and all of you (you, her and the child) may be in real danger. Please take your wife in a mental health center first thing in the morning! Don't delay another day.

erin74 · Dec 14, 2005

If she is seeing things as well, it could be even more than just post natal depression. There is also a thing called post natal psychosis. Now this is very rare, and I doubt that it is what she has. But just in case. Psychosis usually involves hallucinations - hearing things is far more common than seeing things though.

It probably isn't this. But from what you have said I would be very surprised if she doesn't have post natal depression. Get her to a doctor asap. The sooner she is diagnosed the better.

Then you both need to get some serious counselling.

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