pork and shellfish

[LittleLambofJesus]

I'll eat swine on occasion,
but if you were to try and get me to eat filthy scavengers like crab/lobster/shrimp/prawns you'd have to do it at gunpoint, and even then I'm not 100% convinced I'd do it.

I am just the opposite. Someone would have to point a gun at me to keep me from eating them, as I have been doing for over 40 yrs. I probably eat a pound of shrimp a week...........I love lobster tails and eat them a couple times a month...I also like oysters on the half shell, raw.

Did you have a bad experience eating those, or know someone that did, that keeps you from eating them.

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[DaisyDay]

Proper exercise, is the single most important behavior, one can participate in, to improve their health.

I think I'd put proper sanitation before proper exercise for health.

 

[bhsmte]

I think I'd put proper sanitation before proper exercise for health.

My statement, is assuming a person, has an adequate level of sanitation/hygine, which is not difficult to accomplish.

 

[Murby]

The problem then is two fold. First you have fat to deal with and that is not good in terms of cardio disease.

That's actually not true.. Sugar is the cause of cardiovascular disease and obesity.. Not fats.
I have both personal empirical evidence and experience of this and documented evidence performed by researchers studying this issue. The commonly accepted mantra that fat is bad for your health has been conclusively as not true.

Second you have the toxins that are in the fat that could be a carcinogen and a cause of cancer.

Any toxins in the environment will affect the entire food chain.. not just one specific animal. Pigs are no more or less immune the the absorption of toxins than any other animal, or plant for that matter.

I know that people argue that you can eat so called organic pigs and fish, sense so much of that if farmed. They claim they can control the toxins with the food they feed them. But wild food is better then farmed food because of the often poor quality of the feed. But I do not want to turn this into a organic food discussion.

Your statement here isn't wrong.. but its also not entirely correct either.

 

[bhsmte]

That's actually not true.. Sugar is the cause of cardiovascular disease and obesity.. Not fats.
I have both personal empirical evidence and experience of this and documented evidence performed by researchers studying this issue. The commonly accepted mantra that fat is bad for your health has been conclusively as not true.


Any toxins in the environment will affect the entire food chain.. not just one specific animal. Pigs are no more or less immune the the absorption of toxins than any other animal, or plant for that matter.


Your statement here isn't wrong.. but its also not entirely correct either.

You are correct.

More and more studies are indicating, fat is not the bad boy, it was once thought to be. Saturated fats are still considered unhealthy, but not others, more healthier fats.

Furthermore, the obesity issue in the united states has increased quite a bit in the last several decades and is approaching 40% of the population. We actually consume less fat then we did decades ago, but the sugar consumption has increased. Sugar is a potent insulin releaser and insulin promotes fat storage.

The other piece is physical activity has declined quite a bit as well. More time sitting behind computers, television and video games, has decreased fitness levels and the bodies ability, to burn fat for fuel.

 

[DaisyDay]

My statement, is assuming a person, has an adequate level of sanitation/hygine, which is not difficult to accomplish.

In first world countries with adequate governments. Is proper exercise difficult to accomplish?

 

[bhsmte]

In first world countries with adequate governments. Is proper exercise difficult to accomplish?

The difficulty is not really the issue i was raising. I was giving an opinion on the overall impact, the right type of regular exercise has on health.

Are the majority of people in a position to regularly exercise if they wish? Yes, no question, but the vast majority, choose not to.

 

[DaisyDay]

The difficulty is not really the issue i was raising.

Oh. I thought that was exactly the issue you raised with proper sanitation, but ok.

BTW, I was just reading about a Canadian couple, Collet and Ezra Stephan, who are currently on trial for not providing proper health care for their son who died of meningitis (they've had two more sons since then). It's not sanitation, but it's related, I think. They are anti-vaxxers, which is bad enough, but they also tried to treat their son with vitamins and the like even after their nurse friend suggested that he might have meningitis and should be diagnosed properly. They thought he "just" had croup for two weeks (before vaccinations, children died of diphtheria croup fairly regularly), so they seek medical care until after he stopped breathing.

Their GoFundMe page got shut down because they are not allowed to solicit for anything connected with illegal activity and, apparently, child neglect is covered by that. The anti-vaxxer community is rallying to their side as should be expected, with them being portrayed as martyrs to the cause.

 

[bhsmte]

Oh. I thought that was exactly the issue you raised with proper sanitation, but ok.

BTW, I was just reading about a Canadian couple, Collet and Ezra Stephan, who are currently on trial for not providing proper health care for their son who died of meningitis (they've had two more sons since then). It's not sanitation, but it's related, I think. They are anti-vaxxers, which is bad enough, but they also tried to treat their son with vitamins and the like even after their nurse friend suggested that he might have meningitis and should be diagnosed properly. They thought he "just" had croup for two weeks (before vaccinations, children died of diphtheria croup fairly regularly), so they seek medical care until after he stopped breathing.

Their GoFundMe page got shut down because they are not allowed to solicit for anything connected with illegal activity and, apparently, child neglect is covered by that. The anti-vaxxer community is rallying to their side as should be expected, with them being portrayed as martyrs to the cause.

What you describe, is a simple example of parents who have opinions on how to care for their children, that goes completely against established and well evidenced medicine.

In those cases, they are clearly causing harm.

 

[Jay Follett]

The problem with pigs is that they eat just about anything. They are scavengers and they are not worried about toxins. They actually are not able to remove the toxins from the food and it gets stored in with the fat. The problem then is two fold. First you have fat to deal with and that is not good in terms of cardio disease. Second you have the toxins that are in the fat that could be a carcinogen and a cause of cancer. You have the same problem with shell fish, toxins & carcinogens. The shell is a filter to filter the nutrients out of the water. Only problem is the toxins get filtered out also. In fact science uses shell fish to determine how much toxins are in the water of rivers. Science has established a good cardio diet, they are still working on a diet to remove the toxins and carcinogens that have varying degrees of risk for causing cancer.

Is that why 115 million pigs are slaughtered and eaten in the US every year? that's an awful lot of toxins, it might be a good idea to read a modern science book and not your Bible when you want to read about the foods of today.

 

[DaisyDay]

The problem with pigs is that they eat just about anything. They are scavengers and they are not worried about toxins. They actually are not able to remove the toxins from the food and it gets stored in with the fat.

Makes you wonder what pigs have livers, kidneys and colons for.

 

[PsychoSarah]

The difficulty is not really the issue i was raising. I was giving an opinion on the overall impact, the right type of regular exercise has on health.

Are the majority of people in a position to regularly exercise if they wish? Yes, no question, but the vast majority, choose not to.

I think you fail to take into account the trend with "free time" in recent years. People in first world countries today have more free time than people 50 years ago, but their free time is also more spread out. It's hard to get in a good workout when your freetime is in 15-30-60 minute blocks intermittent with work and other activities, especially when you consider the need to shower after a good workout.

On a budget, running is probably the easiest exercise to do without spending, but if you live in a climate that excessively cold or hot for half the year, that restricts you indoors and to either buying a treadmill or paying for a gym. You also have to consider that the majority of people have no idea what they are doing when they try to do exercises, and they end up hurting themselves more than building muscle. On my mom's side of the family, the meniscus of the knees in some people are prone to fraying due to poor configuration of tendons and bones, making most leg exercises excessively painful and damaging to the joint. We can tell who has the problem based on which family members can comfortably do a single lunge; those that can do it have normal knees, like my sister, and those that feel extreme pain in the joint at a young age without explanation like me have the bad configuration. Even with knee braces, I can't bear the pain of more than 10 lunges consecutively, even though my muscles are nowhere near tired and, for fear of pain, I tend not to go down very far or very fast. My mother had to have knee surgery in her early 40s, even though she never played taxing sports, ran a ton, or injured her legs in any way prior to that point.

 

[bhsmte]

I think you fail to take into account the trend with "free time" in recent years. People in first world countries today have more free time than people 50 years ago, but their free time is also more spread out. It's hard to get in a good workout when your freetime is in 15-30-60 minute blocks intermittent with work and other activities, especially when you consider the need to shower after a good workout.

On a budget, running is probably the easiest exercise to do without spending, but if you live in a climate that excessively cold or hot for half the year, that restricts you indoors and to either buying a treadmill or paying for a gym. You also have to consider that the majority of people have no idea what they are doing when they try to do exercises, and they end up hurting themselves more than building muscle. On my mom's side of the family, the meniscus of the knees in some people are prone to fraying due to poor configuration of tendons and bones, making most leg exercises excessively painful and damaging to the joint. We can tell who has the problem based on which family members can comfortably do a single lunge; those that can do it have normal knees, like my sister, and those that feel extreme pain in the joint at a young age without explanation like me have the bad configuration. Even with knee braces, I can't bear the pain of more than 10 lunges consecutively, even though my muscles are nowhere near tired and, for fear of pain, I tend not to go down very far or very fast. My mother had to have knee surgery in her early 40s, even though she never played taxing sports, ran a ton, or injured her legs in any way prior to that point.

All valid points Sarah.

With that said, many of the people I know who make exercise a priority, are extremely busy professional people, who don't have a lot of free time, but they make time for exercise. They make the practice part of their life and it is simply not an option to not exercise 4, 5 or 6 days a week.

I was an avid runner at one point in my life and still run today, but not to the same levels I did before. When I was running 30-40 miles per week, I was working full time and in graduate school and I would run at 10pm at night if I had to. I also didn't care if it was 10 below zero, I just dressed appropriately.

The vast majority of the population can get out several days a week and run, walk or jog if they are self motivated enough to do so.

 

[PsychoSarah]

All valid points Sarah.

With that said, many of the people I know who make exercise a priority, are extremely busy professional people, who don't have a lot of free time, but they make time for exercise. They make the practice part of their life and it is simply not an option to not exercise 4, 5 or 6 days a week.

I was an avid runner at one point in my life and still run today, but not to the same levels I did before. When I was running 30-40 miles per week, I was working full time and in graduate school and I would run at 10pm at night if I had to. I also didn't care if it was 10 below zero, I just dressed appropriately.

The vast majority of the population can get out several days a week and run, walk or jog if they are self motivated enough to do so.

The cold is not so much a deterrent to running outside as the heat is. I don't think many people would brave the often 38 degrees Celsius Arizona summer for a 30 min jog, and anyone crazy enough to do it would risk dehydration. And the taller and heavier one is, whether it be fat or non-lean muscle, the harder on your joints that cardio will be.

Oh, and we forgot to add kids to the equation, which eats up most of what free time the average worker would have. The situation becomes even worse for a single parent.

I've known people at university that somehow manage to function on 3 hours of sleep per weeknight, as they take a full load of classes and work full time. I'd be astounded if they took time to exercise that could be used for the much more valuable adequate sleep.

To also be blunt, the majority of humanity is terrible at time management, so even those that technically have the time to work out don't manage it properly and thus can't utilize it for that purpose.

 

[bhsmte]

The cold is not so much a deterrent to running outside as the heat is. I don't think many people would brave the often 38 degrees Celsius Arizona summer for a 30 min jog, and anyone crazy enough to do it would risk dehydration. And the taller and heavier one is, whether it be fat or non-lean muscle, the harder on your joints that cardio will be.

Oh, and we forgot to add kids to the equation, which eats up most of what free time the average worker would have. The situation becomes even worse for a single parent.

I've known people at university that somehow manage to function on 3 hours of sleep per weeknight, as they take a full load of classes and work full time. I'd be astounded if they took time to exercise that could be used for the much more valuable adequate sleep.

To also be blunt, the majority of humanity is terrible at time management, so even those that technically have the time to work out don't manage it properly and thus can't utilize it for that purpose.

It all comes down to motivation Sarah, as we all find time for things we are more motivated to do, no matter how busy we are.

Many are just not motivated enough to exercise, because it requires physical effort and can be uncomfortable.