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[JulieB67]

Anti basically means" instead of" in the Greek. So basically it's "instead of Christ" As for who will sit on the throne to the sides of the north proclaiming to be God, one has to look no further than the Word of God.

In the OT, there are many types that point to and are in fact Satan himself. (King of Tyre, the Assyrian, etc) The King of Babylon in these verses is no exception. No earthy king was a morning star and Babylon had their own gods, their own thrones, etc. They never sat on the throne to the sides of the north proclaiming to be God.

Isaiah 14:12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

That's going to happen.

These next verses mirrors Paul's teaching so we see that he is a second witness to this very fact -

Isaiah 14:13 "For thou hast said in thine heart, `I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:"

Isaiah 14:14 "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the MOST HIGH."


II Thessalonians 2:4 "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Again, these verses are stating the exact same thing. So it leaves us no doubt who will sit on the throne to the sides of the north proclaiming to be God.


And we see that have they same fate


Isaiah 14:15 "Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit."

Angels are often called "men" in the bible and this will be no different. Paul even states that Satan is disguised as an angel of light. He will be here instead of Christ and proclaim to be God and people will believe it. That's the deception. Afterwards people will be thinking this -

Isaiah 14:16 "They that see thee shall shall narrowly look upon the, and consider thee, saying. "Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;"

Our second witness to the fact that he's thrown into the pit is of course in Revelation where we see that he's thrown into the pit so he can't deceive the nations. But again, that's his big deception and it's coming.


"Revelation 20:3 "And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

Do I believe that ultimately there will be a one world religion that will follow him? Yes. That's why Paul states we have to have the full gospel armor on and in place so we don't follow him and fall for the deception that will take over th entire world at some point. I believe that could happen to anyone, including Christians that are waiting for the bridegroom at this point (Foolish Virgins,etc) Because apostasy is defecting from the truth. So that's why the gospel armor is so important as is Christ and Paul's warnings on this very subject in the gospels and 2nd Thes.


Ephesians 6:11 "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Wiles is trickery. Again, it's all about deception.

Ephesians 6:13 "Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God that ye may be able to with stand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."

Notice it doesn't state to be able to stand every day, it states stand in "the evil day". Again, that's what one has to be prepared for.

I don't want to get off the subject of the Pope but since the subject of the Antichrist was brought up wanted to instead want to state that we don't have to look any further than the Bible for prophecies. It has not left us wanting or wondering what will happen. It tells us and also tells us what we need to do to prepare if it should happen in one's generation.

And Christ states- in your patience possess your souls.

That's because people will actually believe Satan is God. And he is able to do this by the wonders he performs, etc. And And you don't don a disguise such as being an angel of light unless eyes will be on you. And it's him that will deceive the nations. -has horns like a lamb (disguised as Christ) but spoke as a dragon (-the devil.)
And that's also why Christ states he himself comes at an hour that most do not expect. Because most of the world will believe he's already returned. They will be stating peace and safety and then bam the true Christ returns.

Again, that's the true deception.

 

[com7fy8]

So, Luther's name means "beast"? And it is possible someone's prophecy is a bunch of . . . malarkey??

And ones say the Pope is the anti-Christ? Well, to my knowledge, the real Anti-Christ will have unfettered sway over the whole world, including with full unity and agreement. To my knowledge, the Pope isn't even close to unifying Donald and Vladimir and Israel and Democrats and Republicans and Hamas and atheists and Al Qaeda and ISIS and others.

As for the "mark" > ones have said it is our social security numbers or something like this. Well, Christian Forums is worldwide. The United States is not the whole world. We have people here in forums, from various parts of the world . . . where there is no social security! And everyone of Satan's kingdom gets the mark in that time. So, likewise, not everyone got the shots. They aren't the mark.

We have a human tendency to bond with some person, then put that one above question. But God's word says to make sure about each item >

"Test all things; hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

If Francis is the last Pope - - what matters is what Jesus has said for us to be doing all along > "be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect" > in Matthew 24:44, and in Luke 12:40. What matters is what Jesus means by being ready; yet, this has a way of not getting attention.

 

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[JulieB67]

No one world religion - no one world government. Islam is the two horned beast and religion and the Mid East Arab world is the region he will control.

Most of the world will follow him so that points to one worldism. And as I stated even some proclaiming to be Christians (Foolish Virgins, apostasy that's coming, etc) That's why Christ turns some away in the end.

The key is most of the world will be saying "peace and safety" when the true Christ returns. That's the mindset and that's the true deception. I honestly don't believe people will be saying peace and safety if they don't believe the Messiah has returned.

 

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[JulieB67]

Globalism isn't prophesied anywhere.

I believe this would count, although apparently you don't believe it.

Revelation 13:8 "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

but Rome or the EU are NOT mentioned in even ONE verse of end-time prophecy.

I never mentioned anything about Rome and EU. That's not what it's going to be about.

I welcome any body to quote one!

I've already posted scriptures about my beliefs (which have nothing to do with Rome or EU ) I'm a scripture person first and foremost which is where I base my beliefs.

But I would like to see some scriptures from you since you haven't posted any.

 

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[JulieB67]

ou believe like so many others that the man of sin comes in the literal name of Jesus?

The fact is Satan (with help of his angels) will be here proclaiming to be God and he will be so convincing in this role that even the elect would have a hard time not believing. It's that serious, that convincing that both Christ and Paul give out serious warnings on this subject. He will perform signs and wonders and it's his trickery (wiles) that one has to be prepared for to be able to stand in that evil day if it should happen in one's generation. Paul even states he's disguised as an angel of light. You don't have to don a disguise unless eyes are on you. The gospel armor is for the wiles of the devil, not some human from the Middle East. So many people miss the fact that the gospel armor is for "the evil day" They think it means every day. It's a second witness to Christ stating that those that endure to the end, the same shall be saved. Paul states that we need it to be able to withstand in the evil day, having done all, to stand. Same thing.

It's Satan that will be locked up in the pit so he can't deceive the nations anymore.

Revelation 20:3 "And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

And it's him that's released to deceive one last time. It's him.


Revelation 20:7 "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison

Revelation 20:8 "And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea."

It was prophesized long ago that he would sit on the throne to the sides of the north proclaiming to be God. And Paul backs up that.



But at that point take out religion (including Islam) denomination, etc. The point is he will be here instead of Christ. If someone states- here is Christ or there is Christ, believe it not. Those are Christ's own words. The world will wonder after him, so much so that they will be saying peace and safety and then the true Christ returns and watch out because people will be praying for the mountains to fall on them.

We can take those warnings seriously or not. I choose to take them seriously if it should happen in my lifetime.

And yes, I do take many words back to the Hebrew/Greek quite often because many can get lost in translation because even one word in the English when taken back can be different words when utilized in different verses. But taking those words back doesn't take away Satan's role that he will play in the future. And it's clearly not limited to just one region that he will control.

And still no scripture break down from you on your beliefs?

 

[Dave Watchman]

Hi. I've not been on CF for very much for a long time, so am not sure the best place to post my question. If this is not the best place, perhaps someone could move it to elsewhere.

Hi tansy. I don't post too much anymore either. And I'm sorry to read of your loss.

Anyway, what I was wondering is that I have read over the years some kind of prophecies which say that this Pope will be the final one. What do people think...also what would happen if he really IS the final one?

I also remember hearing of this over the years, but never was really into it. I really only began researching it since the time of your OP, and since the time of the Pope's illness. It's like being on the edge of our seats.

I'm reading Pope Francis was aware of the St. Malachi prophecy, and had asked during an earlier speech to "pray for me."

I'm also cautious with this as it may not be a Biblical prophecy which comes from God. Jesus also seemed to acknowledge other knowledge which may come from the dark side in Luke 16:8:

"And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.​

And for other reasons I hesitate to go into now, I think Jesus is coming soon. So I think things are happening now, events not generally recognized for what they are. This might be just another straw in the camel's back.

I do not think our current Pope is the end time Antichrist, or the False Prophet of Revelation. That is a complicated subject for another thread. Our current Pope is not fulfilling the same Biblical role that the office of the Vatican did during the middle ages.

I have a hunch Pope Francis is waiting at the edge of his seat, like we are, to see what's going to happen next.

Watch: Pope seen without usual papal attire

Pope Francis visits St Peter's Basilica in the Vatican, still with an oxygen tube, as he continues to recover from ill health.

www.bbc.com

He's looking not too bad. This video has him shaking a kids hand. Looks like they're telling the kid to call him Papa.

Papa Francesco a sorpresa a San Pietro, senza l'abito talare ma con poncho e pantaloni

Papa Francesco si è recato a sopresa , sulla sedia a rotelle e in un'insolito abbigliamento (senza l'abito talare bianco ma con un poncho argent…

www.lastampa.it

He was in a wheel chair months ago when he opened that "holy door" during the Jubilee.

Spooky stuff for some spooky times. Jesus said call no man your father.

"And do not call anyone on earth your father, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. - Matthew 23:9​

Jesus is the door of the sheep:

"I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. - John 10:9​

The Good Shepard lays down His life for the sheep.

Jesus is Lord.