Pope John Paul II is in Hell...

[DennisTate]

...begging for mercy, with a serpent wrapped around his neck. If you believe Angelica Zambrano.

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Mike to Michael........could it be that Pope John Paul II was begging for mercy for the 7.5 billion great, great, great granddaughters and grandsons of Adam and Eve????????

And is it possible that this detail was simply not given to Miss Zambrano because it was an aspect of the big picture that she did not need to know and in a sense was somewhat above her security clearance level?

My dad died on January 1, 1990. He was 68......and I always kind of wondered how my mom managed to stay married to him. Personally I would not trade him....(not even for Garner Ted Armstrong)..... because he actually gave me the three things that Dr. Ross Campbell wrote that parents should give their kids to let them know that they were loved......1. focused attention 2. eye contact 3 physical contact........

So anyway.......I was a Messianic Gentile and since my dad had not repented and gone to church as Miss Zambrano and most of the posters here in this forum would have advised him to do......… so since my group was non-prostylitizing and believed firmly in soul - sleep I never bothered him about going to church...........or praying or anything like that......As you can guess the book Life After Life by Dr. Raymond Moody.....and especially Dr. Moody's third book.....that had a negative NDE in it on page 26, 27......these really put me into a philosophical and theological crisis......

I have already written much of this up on my blog as well as in this discussion over on Messianic Judaism......by the way......I really am not trying to get any of you to become like me.......because I am one of the most confused people that I have ever met and am incapable of giving a simple or dogmatic answer to many questions........ In case I haven't done so already I will add a link to the to other discussion to my blog.......

For the record I am actually somewhat interested in conversion to Catholicism.......but I don't wish to bring any sort of infamy to the church........so I may not be the type of person you want as a new convert...............

 

[DennisTate]

haha

RomanRite......adding a simple haha.......to a discussion is a seriously cool thing for you to do............Riddle for you.......What does the H in Jesus H.....C....... stand for?

Answer....Yeshua ha Mashiach......… Messiah Yeshua/ Jesus's middle name is connected to Isaac / laughter......the wrath of G-d cannot be understood without at least beginning to grasp the off the scale........ astonishing......brilliant....... sense of humour of our Awesome G-d!!!!!!????

The wrath of the Lord shall not return till he execute it, and till he accomplish the thought of his heart: in the latter days you shall understand his counsel.

Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Prophecy Of Jeremias (Jeremiah) Chapter 23

Now maybe I am wrong to do this.......but I have read perhaps twenty or more near death experience accounts over the past month or so to my ten year old daughter. She especially loves ones with animals and with women or children. I wanted her to get to know a God who takes care of animals and kids before getting her into scriptures that can be so confusing............. I have the suspicion that it is at this time that we finally can understand our brilliant astonishing God .....both his mercy.....and wrath...… that is connected to and ameliorated by H-s off the scale sense of humour!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???

 

[DennisTate]

Well I never said she was.

Just making conversation. Obviously anything against the Faith is a given red flag.

Unless....... this is a message.....with hidden meaning from G-d....... to take the faith up to a level not seen in 1900 years?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Back in 2009 I took an introductory Theology course at St. Francis Xavier University in Antigonish, Nova Scotia........which sure fits with the weird and unusual message I got regarding Pope John Paul II back in 1990/'91 when I took far too much Matol for far too long.....and practically induced an out of the body state?????!!!!


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I Dennis Tate, am extremely interested in conversion to Catholicism but my motives are NOT entirely altruistic. In my area Dr. Moses Coady, Fr. Jimmy Thompkins with their friends and followers initiated the Antigonish Movement which has transformed not only the local economy here in rural Nova Scotia, but has grown to influence projects in one hundred and twenty nations.

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I may be wrong in this assertion but over the past decade or so I have noticed over and over again that our opinions regarding politics and economics are astonishingly similar to our own ideas regarding philosophy and theology. Those of us who feel that God has a simple plan, that the souls of the dead are either saved or lost, either in heaven or in hell often seem content to be satisfied with a world in which a minority are spectacularly wealthy while the vast majority of humanity is forced to scrounge for a pathetic living. Dr. Moses Coady felt that there was some glimmer of real hope for the people who were in something of an economic purgatory. His confidence in their ability to be raised up to a higher level was instrumental in his being able to help so many thousand and now millions of poor people to transform their lives.

 

[DennisTate]

Saying that John Paul the Great is in hell is just like saying Mother Theresa suffered the same fate...

They, like so many saints, had many faults but they were human after all. Despite their flaws they stuck true to Jesus' teachings and preached His word. If they're in hell, I doubt there's much need of any hope in our own salvation...

Words.......... in a sense can be looked at as comparable to Einstein's General Theory of Relativity................ hell is a relative but not absolute term......… some of us just more easily do something of a Vulcan Mind Meld with the Ancient of Days the Father and the Ancient of Days the Mother (who Christian Andreason felt was associated with The Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost) during part of his extensive NDE!

Once Mother Theresa and/or Pope John Paul II saw how deeply worried the Ancient of Days the Father and the Ancient of Days the Mother and the Word/Logos Messiah Yeshua/Jesus really are over the lost.........… Mother Theresa and/ or Pope John Paul II might just pray about something that would set in motion a series of events........that would profoundly affect life on earth................ but if a young girl saw part of what they were wrestling with ........ she might just understand the whole thing in the wrong way....... but that would not necessarily make her a liar........ just human........and somewhat uninformed......as all of us are!!!!!!??

My understanding of Psalm 138, (139 KJV) is that depending on what King David prayed about......… or didn't pray about........and decided to do.......or not do........profoundly affected the lives of millions of people over these past 3000 years......… Well.....the weakest....most feeble citizen of the metaphorical Jerusalem..........is stronger than King David...… and is also capable of volunteering for a secret mission....... that can rival any science fiction movie that any Hollywood actress or actor might star in?????????!!!!!!

Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Book Of Psalms Psalm 138

Thy eyes did see my imperfect being, and in thy book all shall be written: days shall be formed, and no one in them. [17] But to me thy friends, O God, are made exceedingly honourable: their principality is exceedingly strengthened. [18] I will number them, and they shall be multiplied above the sand: I rose up and am still with thee.

I do like this wording of the friends of King David being made innumerable......that is certainly accurate.......but the idea of the thoughts of G-d toward King David being like the sand of the seashore could fit with branches of time and how time would be altered by whatever inertia King David would set in motion........by even some of his smaller decisions.....

If somebody had a near death experience right now and asked Messiah Yeshua / Jesus the specific number of people who died over the past three millennia due to King David committing adultery with Bathsheba and murdering Uriah......… how high of a number do you think Messiah Jesus/ Yeshua would give you if you asked him the number for linear time as you perceive it to be?????!!!

Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all [my members] were written, [which] in continuance were fashioned, when [as yet there was] none of them.
How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!
[If] I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee (Psalm 139)

 

[Michie]

Canonization date of John XXIII and John Paul II to be announced in September...

 

[WarriorAngel]

Extremely well said WarriorAngel!!!

And what is also fascinating is that Jewish Mystics such as Rabbi Nachman of Breslov who had out of the body experiences confirmed much of what is being reported by near death experiencers and Christian Mystics!!!!

The stage is being set for a level of unity that could not have been imagined even three decades ago before these NDE accounts began to become common knowledge!



(Ezekiel 37)

I would like to see the world become one.
Too many splits...and crazies who hate others.

On the other hand perhaps one of the most significant near death experience cases, strangely enough occurred on June 3 - 6, 1966 and in my opinion was set up in such a way that is a metaphorical Yom Kippur event that could only have been set up by two sources..............either extreme light or extreme darkness.........In my opinion.....this was set up by Extreme Light/ LOVE/ PEACE/ JOY/ PATIENCE/ HUMILITY?????!!!!

But I am no expert and that is merely my opinion????!!!!

(Bruce Fraser MacDonald Ph. D., ThomasTwin.com)

Interesting

Mike to Michael........could it be that Pope John Paul II was begging for mercy for the 7.5 billion great, great, great granddaughters and grandsons of Adam and Eve????????

And is it possible that this detail was simply not given to Miss Zambrano because it was an aspect of the big picture that she did not need to know and in a sense was somewhat above her security clearance level?

I think she is a fraud.

My dad died on January 1, 1990. He was 68......and I always kind of wondered how my mom managed to stay married to him. Personally I would not trade him....(not even for Garner Ted Armstrong)..... because he actually gave me the three things that Dr. Ross Campbell wrote that parents should give their kids to let them know that they were loved......1. focused attention 2. eye contact 3 physical contact........

So anyway.......I was a Messianic Gentile and since my dad had not repented and gone to church as Miss Zambrano and most of the posters here in this forum would have advised him to do......… so since my group was non-prostylitizing and believed firmly in soul - sleep I never bothered him about going to church...........or praying or anything like that......As you can guess the book Life After Life by Dr. Raymond Moody.....and especially Dr. Moody's third book.....that had a negative NDE in it on page 26, 27......these really put me into a philosophical and theological crisis......

Never forget - the Holy Spirit calls us again before we die. Even the feeblest of affirmation for Him and we are saved - yet thru fire.

If your dad agreed and consented to the last call - he may well be going towards or in Heaven.

We cannot judge. But we can have hope.

I have already written much of this up on my blog as well as in this discussion over on Messianic Judaism......by the way......I really am not trying to get any of you to become like me.......because I am one of the most confused people that I have ever met and am incapable of giving a simple or dogmatic answer to many questions........ In case I haven't done so already I will add a link to the to other discussion to my blog.......

For the record I am actually somewhat interested in conversion to Catholicism.......but I don't wish to bring any sort of infamy to the church........so I may not be the type of person you want as a new convert...............

There is no way you can bring infamy to an already 'persecuted and hated' establishment.

Anyway - it seems to me - you have been shown some mystical wonders that show the truth of the teachings. [purgatory]
It is by grace revealed to you that you 'your heart was open to it.'

 

[DennisTate]

I would like to see the world become one.
Too many splits...and crazies who hate others.

Interesting

I think she is a fraud.


Never forget - the Holy Spirit calls us again before we die. Even the feeblest of affirmation for Him and we are saved - yet thru fire.

If your dad agreed and consented to the last call - he may well be going towards or in Heaven.

We cannot judge. But we can have hope.




There is no way you can bring infamy to an already 'persecuted and hated' establishment.

Anyway - it seems to me - you have been shown some mystical wonders that show the truth of the teachings. [purgatory]
It is by grace revealed to you that you 'your heart was open to it.'

Yes......the world becoming as ONE was EXACTLY what former atheist Howard Storm was shown during his NDE!!!!

near-death.com/experiences/storm03.html

Because of my fear of a nuclear holocaust I asked if there was going to be a nuclear war in the world, and they said no. That astonished me, and I gave them this extensive explanation of how I had lived under the threat of nuclear war. That was one of the reasons I was who I was. I figured, when I was in this life, that it was all sort of hopeless; the world was going to blow up anyway, and nothing made much sense. In that context I felt I could do what I wanted, since nothing mattered.

They said, "No, there isn't going to be any nuclear war."

I asked if they were absolutely sure there wasn't going to be nuclear war. They reassured me again, and I asked them how they could be so sure. Their response was: "God loves the world."

They told me that at the most, one or two nuclear weapons might go off accidentally, if they weren't destroyed, but there wouldn't be a nuclear war. I then asked them how come there had been so many wars. They said that they allowed those few to happen, out of all the wars that humanity tried to start. Out of all the wars that humans tried to create, they allowed a few, to bring people to their senses and to stop them.

Science, technology, and other benefits, they told me, had been gifts bestowed on humanity by them – through inspiration. People had literally been led to those discoveries, many of which had later been perverted by humanity to use for its own destruction. We could do too much damage to the planet. And by the planet, they meant all of God's creation. Not just the people, but the animals, the trees, the birds, the insects, everything.

They explained to me that their concern was for all the people of the world. They weren't interested in one group getting ahead of other groups. They want every person to consider every other person greater than their own flesh. They want everyone to love everyone else, completely; more, even, than they love themselves. If someone, someplace else in the world hurts, than we should hurt we should feel their pain. And we should help them.

Our planet has evolved to the point, for the first time in our history, that we have the power to do that. We are globally linked. And we could become one people. (Howard Storm)

 

[DennisTate]

...begging for mercy, with a serpent wrapped around his neck. If you believe Angelica Zambrano.

Angelica Zambrano was shown the Kingdoms of Heaven and Hell, and the Return of Christ | Testimonies Of Heaven And Hell-Life After Death, Near Death Experience

Mike to Michael.....I have been corresponding with an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi since 1990 and I have a number of reasons as to why this discussion relates directly to the achieving of genuine peace in the Middle East.

You began this discussion so internet etiquette dictates thatI at least ask you before taking this discussion off into what I feel is definitely a related topic!

I have a lot in mind to say about this....but I suppose I should give you part of the e-mail that I sent to my Rabbi friend to give you some background.

Mike to Michael, I have reason to believe that you should forward this part of our discussion on to your bishop and I suspect that he will forward the link into this on to the Vatican itself. There are huge advantages in discussing this all publicly.......as I will elaborate if you feel this is an Ok direction to go with your thread?

.....................

Shalom Rabby H.........:

I deeply appreciate your reply to my e-mail Sir.

Back in the early '80's I was made aware that Catholic prophecy from well over
one thousand years ago stated emphatically that essentially the whole world was going to
become observant of the laws of Moshe. A friend of mine attended Ambassador
College in the '70's. He said that there was an original set of the Catholic
Encyclopaedia from the eighth century on the campus. A friend of his knew Latin and
translated an article on The Antichrist. He was both shocked as well as encouraged
by the ideas expressed.

This article stated that in the latter days Christ would come to the earth first, and
things would be going great, then the Anti-Christ would come to the earth and cast
Christ into hell. Soon the veneration of Mary would cease from the earth and
essentially everybody would begin to observe the Jewish Sabbaths, Holy Days
and eat kosher.

I am sure that you are well aware of these prophecies and how they fueled anti-Semitic
sentiment throughout the dark ages.

Finally we are living in a time period when these ideas can be viewed in a whole
new light. The Christ who comes first could be understood to perhaps refer to
the final Elijah who is predicted to even be instrumental in the restoration of the
lost tribes of Israel. The Christ who comes first could refer to Mashiach ben
Yosef/Joseph or even to the King Cyrus type predicted in Isaiah 42 - 46. Considering that
the King Cyrus type does not himself know HaShem in a manner in which he
can be dogmatic, it is easy to understand why he would get along quite well
with the heirachy of the Roman Catholic Church.

//I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I
girded thee, though thou hast not known me:// (Isaiah 45:5)

Since 1990 I have studied the near death experience continually. It was interesting
that in 1975 Dannion Brinkley whose NDE was even made into a TV movie was shown
that Israel and Jordan would become one nation!?

He was shown that an attempt to unfiy Judaism, Christianity and Islam would be made
around 2000, but thankfully a lot of people were praying and events were altered.

The Holy Land is Heating Up | Dannion.com

//“Many of my visions concerned the Middle East: …A part of the vision that is yet to take place involves a merger of the three main religions – Islam, Judaism and Christianity – in Israel. The visions revealed that the Catholic Church would successfully establish a Vatican “state-within-the-state” of Israel before the year 2000. Although the intent of this effort would be a peaceful one, this move would infuriate many Middle Easterners and would lead to war.” Obviously, this did not happen before 2000 and now I know why. But let’s take a quick look at history before I tell you the rest of the story...// (Dannion Brinkley)

.......to be continued........

 

[DennisTate]

part 2 of my e-mail to my Rabbi friend:
..................

One of the greatest ideological divisions between Christians, Jews and Moslems
is how we regard the parentage of Rabbi Yahushua/Jesus. I have an alternative
theory on this subject that could make greater understanding between all of us possible. My theory hinges on the relatively new idea that the four forces of
electromagnetism, gravity, weak and strong nuclear force can be unified in eleven
dimensions of space-time.

The Oneness of HaShem is important. My theory is that HaShem is composed of
ABSOLUTELY fundamental energy. I suspect that the Ruach ha Kodesh/ The Holy
Spirit could be like HaShem the Mother who He may have taken out of his own'
side much as a rib was taken out of Adam. The Holy Spirit could be like Wisdom
who was with H-m from the beginning, but she could exist in tenth, ninth, eighth, etc.,
space time, but not in absolutely fundamental energy as HaShem, the Father
does.

The Spirit of Mashiach, stored in Gan Eden, from the foundation of the world,
could be identifiable with The Logos or the Word, who has acted as an
intermediary between mankind and HaShem. The Spirit of Mashiach/Word could
exist in either tenth or ninth dimensional space time thus backing up the
Oneness of G-d.

//And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.// (Luke 1:35)

If The Ruach ha Kodesh, the Holy Spirit is indeed in the form of a woman we can
rest assured that she is a phenomenal physician. She would have no difficulty in
taking a sperm sample from Isaiah, freezing or otherwise preserving it for seven
centuries or so, and using it to impregnate Mary/Myriam the wife of Joseph.

It is impossible for a truly objective Christian theologian to rule out this
possibility. This theory could be a major step paving the way for a vastly
greater level of understanding between Jews, Christians and Moslems. If we
Christians can get our heads around that there is no logical or scriptural
basis for dogmatically asserting that Yahushua/Jesus was directly begotten by
HaShem himself, then the entire world has been changed.

There are verses in Isaiah chapters 7 and 8 that cause me to believe that Yahushua/Jesus
may have been produced by a donation of spermatazoa from Isaiah that he probably
knew nothing about donating.

// Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.// (Isaiah 7:14-16)
....
//And I went unto the prophetess; and she conceived, and bare a son. Then said the LORD to me, Call his name Mahershalalhashbaz.// (Isaiah 8:3)

Rabby H........, during the decade of the '90's as I prayed and prayed and went
through my disillussionment with the basic teachings of Christianity I prayed and
asked HaShem to ..........................(slight edit) At that time I did not know who Oskar Schindler was but
I could grasp the basic idea that if somebody with good intentions is placed in a
position of influence then a tremendous number of lives can be saved and improved.
I wasn't sure what I had gotten myself into by asking that the guilt of Azazel be
placed on my head but I figured that as long as HaShem would continue to guide me
I could alter the future for the better if I ended up in that seat, rather than somebody
who thought like Antiochus or Hitler.

Dannion Brinkley referred to this principle of us being able to transform the world.

//In other words, the world is going crazy, with wars and rumors of war abounding! I know this all sounds very scary and completely out of our control. And to a certain extent it is. But the Beings of Light told me, more than once, that the future is not written in stone. We can change things. In fact, we must! .....// (Dannion Brinkley)

Rabby Hollander, I asked that when Rabbi Yahushua/Jesus come to stand on the
Mt. of Olives and cast the beast and the false prophet into hell, that he pick me up
and cast me in there, but at least I would be going there as a volunteer with the goal
in mind of improving matters for the unsaved dead.

To my thinking the ultimate ethical act is to save lives. Improving lives would be
ethical act number two.

I think that you will be rather astonished by the theories that
the Knights Templar may have taken treasures from the Jerusalem Temple to
Nova Scotia as early as the thirteenth century. There is a professor at St. F. X. who
did the background historical comments for the movie, First Knight, starring
Sean Connery, Richard Gere and Julia Ormond who has been digging into
these traditions.

I hope that these ideas are of encouragement and inspiration to you Sir.

Shalom.

Dennis Tate

 

[WarriorAngel]

You said hell is relative.
What do you mean?

Its an absolute. What do you mean relative - as in relative to how we interact on earth?

 

[DennisTate]

You said hell is relative.
What do you mean?

Its an absolute. What do you mean relative - as in relative to how we interact on earth?

Dr. George Ritchie in his NDE was shown various types of "hell's." People who took their own lives for example seemed to end up in an environment where they reviewed and reviewed their mistake. They attempted to apologize to the living people who had been affected by their suicide but.........they could not communicate........and thus they ended up in an unhappy state of mind of feeling helpless.


On the other hand people who took politics and/or religion and turned it into something that they patted themselves on the back with.......but then used as a club to bash somebody else over the head........they ended up in a different sort of afterlife hell/purgatory environment???!!!

Back in the 1980's I made that mistake in a big way and I never want to go back into that state again....I think that this quotation is from section 4.b:

near-death.com/ritchie.html


A Journey to Heaven and HellDr. George Ritchie's Near-Death Experience

Jesus leads Ritchie to a house somewhere on Earth where he is shown the spirit of a young man following his living family members around and begging them for forgiveness. But the family members are completely unaware of his presence. Jesus tells Ritchie the young man committed suicide and is "chained to every consequence of his act."

4d.

His Description of the Horrors of Hell

They were still somewhere on the surface of the Earth; but no living person or beings of light could be seen. Before them was a plain jammed with hordes of spirits who are the most miserable and angriest beings he has ever seen. Many were engaged in hand-to-hand combat with no weapons - trying in vain to hurt and kill those who didn't agree with them. A lot of verbal abuse could be heard between them as their thoughts could be heard by everyone around them the moment they are thought. Ritchie is horrified as he wonders what living in such a realm would be like - a place where you cannot hide from who you really are. These spirits were locked into destructive thought-patterns, rage and uncontrollable lust. Some were trying in vain to get sexual gratification from each other. The wailing coming from the hordes of unsatisfied spirits was tremendous. Other spirits were in despair saying things such as, "I always knew!" and "Didn't I warn you!" Ritchie realizes this place is truly hell. Their obsessive thoughts and emotions extended beyond the physical realm and into the spiritual realm where they cannot be satisfied. Yet there was nothing preventing any of the poor spirits in these realms from leaving. There was no condemnation coming from Jesus either - only compassion for these miserable spirits. Ritchie realizes Jesus hadn't abandoned any of them here. Instead they fled from the light to escape from having the darkness of their heart from being revealed.

 

[Chany]

Dr. George Ritchie in his NDE was shown various types of "hell's." People who took their own lives for example seemed to end up in an environment where they reviewed and reviewed their mistake. They attempted to apologize to the living people who had been affected by their suicide but.........they could not communicate........and thus they ended up in an unhappy state of mind of feeling helpless.

On the other hand people who took politics and/or religion and turned it into something that they patted themselves on the back with.......but then used as a club to bash somebody else over the head........they ended up in a different sort of afterlife hell/purgatory environment???!!!

Uh, yeah. You're not going to find quarter in this board with this overemphasis on NDEs, particularly ones that are contradictory to the Church and possibly the Bible, if I read your hypothesis on God and wavelengths correctly.

 

[DennisTate]

Uh, yeah. You're not going to find quarter in this board with this overemphasis on NDEs, particularly ones that are contradictory to the Church and possibly the Bible, if I read your hypothesis on God and wavelengths correctly.

However this all works out my wife is Pentecostal with no real desire to become Catholic again, (unless she finds an especially impressive group of Charismatics) and I am Messianic Gentile who drives his wife to church wherever she wishes to go. I myself would love to become Catholic......if I get the impression that your church is ready for Messianic Gentiles with something of an obsession with NDE accounts??!!

Whether I am correct or not......my own experience with my ten year old indicates that NDE accounts with animals, children and women can play a huge role in an "AWAKENING" that the gifted Pastor William Seymour who headed the Azuza St. Revival predicted for our time period.

My whole point is that it may be time for pastors and priests and monks and nuns to take 23 years if necessary and study (as I did), this topic extensively, because the young people can be reached by these stories......much as the parables of Messiah Jesus/ Yeshua reached the people of the Roman Province of Judaea at his time period???!!!

Perhaps this idea will be less vehemently opposed on this Catholic forum because the similarities to the doctrines of Purgatory and Limbo are striking???!!!!

 

[Needing_Grace]

Uh, yeah. You're not going to find quarter in this board with this overemphasis on NDEs, particularly ones that are contradictory to the Church and possibly the Bible, if I read your hypothesis on God and wavelengths correctly.

Oh, I don't know. I've met a few who seem to put more stock into mysticism than they do the Scriptures and Tradition of the Church.

It's scary, to be honest.

Personally, I put no stock into mysticism and prefer to rely on Scripture and Tradition as they are fixed and unchanging promises God has made to His people.

 

[DennisTate]

Oh, I don't know. I've met a few who seem to put more stock into mysticism than they do the Scriptures and Tradition of the Church.

It's scary, to be honest.

Personally, I put no stock into mysticism and prefer to rely on Scripture and Tradition as they are fixed and unchanging promises God has made to His people.

A choice is facing us!!!!!!!

The Anglican priest in the photo you can see here, in my opinion, is a HERO!!!!

He is there with his shofar ......alone.....surrounded by 21,000 pagans.......some of whom are kind of angry over the events of the past centuries!!!!!!

Many people on the Messianic Judaism board are extremely alarmed at the implications of the way he is reaching out......but I am on a different page........I believe that he is a major leader in what will soon be seen as not merely a revival......but a full fledged AWAKENING!!!!!!!

On the other hand I have been wrong in the past and could be wrong again???!!!



http://www.christianforums.com/t7764318/

Pagans infiltrate the Church of England with it's blessing

 

[Needing_Grace]

A choice is facing us!!!!!!!

The Anglican priest in the photo you can see here, in my opinion, is a HERO!!!!

He is there with his shofar ......alone.....surrounded by 21,000 pagans.......some of whom are kind of angry over the events of the past centuries!!!!!!

Many people on the Messianic Judaism board are extremely alarmed at the implications of the way he is reaching out......but I am on a different page........I believe that he is a major leader in what will soon be seen as not merely a revival......but a full fledged AWAKENING!!!!!!!

On the other hand I have been wrong in the past and could be wrong again???!!!



http://www.christianforums.com/t7764318/

Pagans infiltrate the Church of England with it's blessing

Sounds like apostacy. I prefer to remain confessional and stand on the Church Christ founded which stands upon Scripture, Tradition and the Authority Christ gave her, all of which are protected by Christ's promise that we will be led into all truth by the Holy Spirit (through the given means, Scripture and Tradition with the Church as interpreter).

 

[DennisTate]

Sounds like apostacy. I prefer to remain confessional and stand on the Church Christ founded which stands upon Scripture, Tradition and the Authority Christ gave her, all of which are protected by Christ's promise that we will be led into all truth by the Holy Spirit (through the given means, Scripture and Tradition with the Church as interpreter).

Good point Needing_Grace!

This could well be the most effective way to make your place in heaven secure.......but ......it is fascinating that the "latter days" are pointed to as being the period of time in which finally........even the "wrath" and counsel of the LORD could be fully understood???!!!


[20] The wrath of the Lord shall not return till he execute it, and till he accomplish the thought of his heart: in the latter days you shall understand his counsel.
[21] I did not send prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. [22] If they stood in my counsel, and had made my words known to my people, I should have turned them from their evil way and from their wicked doings.(Jeremiah 23)

As you can guess......I am here thinking that the ability to understand the counsel of the LORD becomes perhaps perfect......during the time period when many run to and fro and knowledge is increased.....and the technological capability of resuscitating people who have a brush with death is greatly increased!!!!???