Pope John Paul II is in Hell...

[Michie]

Look,

can we just put a stop to this right now ?

We are way out in the tooley weeds here.

First:

We're Catholics

We don't believe in Rapture.

I fact we don't believe in the whole "Revelation as end times guide" horse mature period.

Well I never said she was.



If I may, a short excerpt from the Introduction of Revelation in the NAB:



The women is a fake or flake or flam-flamer or possibly a fibber.

(I can still alliterate alluringly when I have the inclination)

But she is definitely NOT in direct communications with God

Well I never said she was.

Just making conversation. Obviously anything against the Faith is a given red flag.

 

[InnerPhyre]

Evangelical Protestant from a traditionally Catholic country whose vision of hell consists of secular music artists and the head of the Catholic Church. Surely there is no agenda there.

Especially not the conversion of jaded Catholics and the sale of terrible Christian Pop music.

 

[Starlightsobright]

I really need to stay off the internet.

 

[Chany]

I really need to stay off the internet.

But then I couldn't see you...

 

[Starlightsobright]

But then I couldn't see you...

Hi Chany
Nice to see you

 

[Memento Mori]

Must be. I was thinking Greek mythology.

Me too, but I'm not into sports sooo...

 

[Tigg]

I auto throw out anyone who says so and so is in hell. I give God top intelligence not to so stupidly name someone. If I received some vision or whatever one calls it, I think God would mention my sins etc.

And I question that God, Mary, or whoever has a message for the whole church. I don't think that God has failed to tell us something so He has to tell us now. Poppycock! Horse feathers!

But to those who believe, so be it, be very careful.

 

[Michie]

I auto throw out anyone who says so and so is in hell. I give God top intelligence not to so stupidly name someone. If I received some vision or whatever one calls it, I think God would mention my sins etc.

And I question that God, Mary, or whoever has a message for the whole church. I don't think that God has failed to tell us something so He has to tell us now. Poppycock! Horse feathers!

But to those who believe, so be it, be very careful.

Amen.

 

[Gnarwhal]

These "testimonies" about people visiting either heaven or hell in near-death experiences drive me absolutely nuts. It's always convenient that the "message" embedded in these fables are always bent to that persons own agenda and bias.

 

[Starlightsobright]

Amen.

Perfectly stated.

 

[Starlightsobright]

I auto throw out anyone who says so and so is in hell. I give God top intelligence not to so stupidly name someone. If I received some vision or whatever one calls it, I think God would mention my sins etc.

And I question that God, Mary, or whoever has a message for the whole church. I don't think that God has failed to tell us something so He has to tell us now. Poppycock! Horse feathers!

But to those who believe, so be it, be very careful.

 

[WarriorAngel]

1st - why is the girl happy?
If someone goes to hell - it's not a happy occasion - and definitely not happy to see anyone 'suffering'. There is joy in this girl's picture - and it's sickening and obviously perpetrated.
If you went to hell - you wouldnt be sharing it enthusiastically. Not with a smile. And naming names seems the obvious that she is not on the up and up.

 

[DennisTate]

...begging for mercy, with a serpent wrapped around his neck. If you believe Angelica Zambrano.

Angelica Zambrano was shown the Kingdoms of Heaven and Hell, and the Return of Christ | Testimonies Of Heaven And Hell-Life After Death, Near Death Experience

In the higher dimensions of space - time, time is utterly different than we view it here.

When Pope John Paul II would find out how much power he had to alter the future.......he certainly could go off into a time of shame - guilt - despair over what he perhaps could have done regarding perhaps preventing some aspects of the holocaust from occurring, if he had made even more courageous decisions.

Although I am not Catholic......I take the idea of purgatory seriously.....I did hear Miss Zambrano's testimony a month or so ago. I have studied NDE accounts rather obsessively since 1990 when they got me out of the old "soul sleep" idea that I had believed in since the '70's!

The Zambarno testimony sets the Vatican up to do something big for the Breslovian Chassidic Jews who wish to move the remains of Rabbi Nachman from the Ukraine to Israel.

 

[Davidnic]

Only about 10 people on the planet are going to get this and only one of those posts on this forum.

Fortunately, I'm the one.

and here I am cleaning out my desk so to speak, determined not to really post much. But a baseball reference will do it. For a pitcher he could hit.

 

[DennisTate]

1st - why is the girl happy?
If someone goes to hell - it's not a happy occasion - and definitely not happy to see anyone 'suffering'. There is joy in this girl's picture - and it's sickening and obviously perpetrated.
If you went to hell - you wouldnt be sharing it enthusiastically. Not with a smile. And naming names seems the obvious that she is not on the up and up.

WarriorAngel.....Miss Angelica Zambrano is not happy! In my opinion she has been given an extremely difficult job to do that in some ways could be compared with what Isaiah had to do for three years as a warning for Egypt!!!!

My wife is Pentecostal/Charismatic and has seen and heard testimonies like this that are pretty scary. The people who have these sort of visions are often obviously sincere because they go to extreme lengths to warn people about what happens after death. Just read about the life of former atheist Howard Storm. His book My Descent Into Death was amazing!

One of the best explanation for purgatory that I ever saw was given by a protestant theologian:


https://www.facebook.com/notes/fans...ho-had-been-very-shy-on-earth/438250039585847

Rick Joyner meets old friend in heaven who had been very shy on earth!


March 6, 2013 at 12:16pm

Rick Joyner: "I then noticed someone I had known on earth. He had been a faithful believer, but I did not think he had done anything of significance. He was so physically unattractive on earth that it had made him shy. Here he had the same features, but was somehow more handsome than any person I had known on earth. He stepped up to me with an assurance and dignity that I had never seen in him, or anyone, before.


"Heaven is much greater than we could have dreamed while on earth," he began. "This room is but the threshold of realms of glory that are far beyond the ability we had to comprehend. It is also true that the second death is much more terrible than we understood. Neither heaven or hell are like we thought they were. If I had known on earth what I know here I would not have lived the way that I did. You are blessed with a great grace to have come here before you have died." he said while looking at my garments.......

.............

"There is an aristocracy here. The rewards for our earthly lives are the eternal positions that we have here. This great multitude here are those whom the Lord called 'foolish virgins.' We knew the Lord, and trusted in His cross for deliverance from damnation, but we did not really live for Him, but for ourselves. We did not keep our vessels filled with the oil of the Holy Spirit. We have eternal life, but we wasted our lives on earth."


I was really surprised by this, but I also knew that no one could lie in that place.


"The foolish virgins gnashed their teeth in the outer darkness," I protested.


"And that we did. The grief that we experienced when we understood how we had so wasted our lives was beyond any grief possible on earth. The darkness of that grief can only be understood by those who have experienced it. Such darkness is magnified when it is revealed next to the glory of the One we failed. You are standing now among the lowest rank in heaven. There is no greater fools than the ones who know the great salvation of God, but then go on living for themselves. To come here and learn the reality of that folly is a grief beyond what an earthly soul can experience. We are those who suffered this outer darkness because of this greatest of follies."

For the record.........each of us has our own reasons for shame/guilt!

Pope John Paul II along with President Ronald Reagan was instrumental in bringing down the Iron Curtain which paved the way for the fulfillment of so many verses in scripture that it is amazing. So why would he feel excessive guilt at this time?

There is no possible way that I can answer that question but...........there is a saying the difference between our expectations to our perceived reality can manifest as anger. Pope John Paul II may have expected so much of himself.........that he just is not satisfied with his own life even though he tranformed......and in my opinion..........practically saved the whole world!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????

 

[MKJ]

How does a person who has a near death experience discern whether it is of God, of the Devil, or just a hallucination? Same with visions?

I think the only thing you can know for sure is that the vision doesn't tell you anything against what the Church teaches. But it could still be just from your brain. I could have a vision right now that was perfectly orthodox, and it was a product of my brain.

That is why when the CC approved visions as not teaching anything incorrect, they still are not saying that they are authentic. (Which also means that anything they say about the future might be total bollocks.)

 

[RomanRite]

...begging for mercy, with a serpent wrapped around his neck. If you believe Angelica Zambrano.

Angelica Zambrano was shown the Kingdoms of Heaven and Hell, and the Return of Christ | Testimonies Of Heaven And Hell-Life After Death, Near Death Experience

Note she is a pentecostal as I once was. Beware of false prophets! What is really twisting my arm is why do the Protestants actually accept this as truth yet reject apparitions such as our Lady of Fatima and Jesus to Saint Faustina who literally saw hell to be true

 

[RomanRite]

Let me conclude by saying I studied this story many times because I remember hearing about this as a Protestant 3 years ago, and that wasn't long ago.

1. Note that in this story she claims she saw the virgin mary crying because she was begging souls on earth to stop worshiping her. Do we notice something here? Anti Catholicism, and the Church alone is truth, thus we know this is completely false due to the early Christians asking for her intercession. If mary was really crying about her being worshiped, it was towards the pagan groups such as the sactarias (puerto rican Pagan group) who literally do worship her as "God" (atleast one of them).

2. She also claims that she "saw" Michael Jackson in hell moonwalking with the demons, give me a break. Note this story was put together in 2009 around his death, thus who wouldn't make a claim like this fraud to get people worked up due to him being so popular around his death even more then when he lived. If you ask me, it sounds like as if Michael is having a good time since she mentioned he was moonwalking in hell, I mean this is non sense. She also mentioned seeing many family members and other music artists like Selina, but note this girl is also hispanic, and in hispanic culture they really admire her. I know this because I am Hispanic, thus why out of all artists would she mention seeing Selina out of all artists who passed? If you ask me this seems very Satanic and pagan due to her trying to contact with the dead.

3. The mother of this girl also claims of seeing her daughter smiling, crying, sweating etc while she was "dead". Does this not seem fishy?

God Bless!

 

[WarriorAngel]

WarriorAngel.....Miss Angelica Zambrano is not happy! In my opinion she has been given an extremely difficult job to do that in some ways could be compared with what Isaiah had to do for three years as a warning for Egypt!!!!

My wife is Pentecostal/Charismatic and has seen and heard testimonies like this that are pretty scary. The people who have these sort of visions are often obviously sincere because they go to extreme lengths to warn people about what happens after death. Just read about the life of former atheist Howard Storm. His book My Descent Into Death was amazing!

One of the best explanation for purgatory that I ever saw was given by a protestant theologian:


https://www.facebook.com/notes/fans...ho-had-been-very-shy-on-earth/438250039585847

Rick Joyner meets old friend in heaven who had been very shy on earth!


March 6, 2013 at 12:16pm


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For the record.........each of us has our own reasons for shame/guilt!

Pope John Paul II along with President Ronald Reagan was instrumental in bringing down the Iron Curtain which paved the way for the fulfillment of so many verses in scripture that it is amazing. So why would he feel excessive guilt at this time?

There is no possible way that I can answer that question but...........there is a saying the difference between our expectations to our perceived reality can manifest as anger. Pope John Paul II may have expected so much of himself.........that he just is not satisfied with his own life even though he tranformed......and in my opinion..........practically saved the whole world!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????

As a concerned parent - if my child died for even 2 minutes - i would be calling 911.

Are you kidding me?
Do you have kids?

Its easy to 'say' this happened without witnesses.
But there is no guarantee that she was 'coming back'...and i dont know a single mom who would be like 'O ok, see you in 24 hours.....'
Unless she was some flake who didnt care if her daughter died.

Unreal.

This is a fabricated story.

Let me conclude by saying I studied this story many times because I remember hearing about this as a Protestant 3 years ago, and that wasn't long ago.

1. Note that in this story she claims she saw the virgin mary crying because she was begging souls on earth to stop worshiping her. Do we notice something here? Anti Catholicism, and the Church alone is truth, thus we know this is completely false due to the early Christians asking for her intercession. If mary was really crying about her being worshiped, it was towards the pagan groups such as the sactarias (puerto rican Pagan group) who literally do worship her as "God" (atleast one of them).

2. She also claims that she "saw" Michael Jackson in hell moonwalking with the demons, give me a break. Note this story was put together in 2009 around his death, thus who wouldn't make a claim like this fraud to get people worked up due to him being so popular around his death even more then when he lived. If you ask me, it sounds like as if Michael is having a good time since she mentioned he was moonwalking in hell, I mean this is non sense. She also mentioned seeing many family members and other music artists like Selina, but note this girl is also hispanic, and in hispanic culture they really admire her. I know this because I am Hispanic, thus why out of all artists would she mention seeing Selina out of all artists who passed? If you ask me this seems very Satanic and pagan due to her trying to contact with the dead.

3. The mother of this girl also claims of seeing her daughter smiling, crying, sweating etc while she was "dead". Does this not seem fishy?

God Bless!

Well, we dont worship Mary - but we are scriptural when it comes to our veneration of her.

'All generations shall call me blessed'.... See Luke.
Which means - venerated.

When she said 'blessed' - which has only 2 meanings - she was either saying all would worship her or all would venerate her.
And we know she didnt seek worship....
Catholics venerate - as scriptures tell us - in her prophetic greeting.

 

[DennisTate]

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Well, we dont worship Mary - but we are scriptural when it comes to our veneration of her.

'All generations shall call me blessed'.... See Luke.
Which means - venerated.

When she said 'blessed' - which has only 2 meanings - she was either saying all would worship her or all would venerate her.
And we know she didnt seek worship....
Catholics venerate - as scriptures tell us - in her prophetic greeting.

I found the NDE account of Colton Burpo fascinating. He reports seeing King David, Samson, Peter, John, Mary/Myriam the mother of Messiah Jesus / Yeshua right there in heaven with Jesus. Also Colton was shown his white horse......… That is on the 17 minute CBN interview.....And so encouraging how he was shown his older sister who had been miscarried.........as an adult in heaven.........