Pope Francis in critical condition after health deteriorates, Vatican says

[Nithavela]

The Vatican said on Saturday that Pope Francis' health had deteriorated over the past 24 hours and for the first time described his condition as "critical", reporting he had needed supplemental oxygen and blood transfusions.
The pope was admitted to Rome's Gemelli hospital on February 14 after experiencing difficulty breathing for several days, and was subsequently diagnosed with pneumonia in both lungs.

In a statement on Saturday evening, the Vatican said the 88-year-old Francis had suffered a "prolonged asthma-like respiratory crisis" during the morning that had required the administration of "high-flow oxygen".

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pope-francis-will-not-lead-sunday-prayers-second-week-running-vatican-says-2025-02-22/

 

[Lost4words]

God bless him and may he have a speedy recovery...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pope-francis-will-not-lead-sunday-prayers-second-week-running-vatican-says-2025-02-22/

And when he dies soon, will we be seeing "Petros Romanus"?? Peter II

 

[Servus]

It'll be interesting and perhaps telling, whether or not they strive towards elceting a more conservative or a more liberal pope.

 

[High Fidelity]

It'll be interesting and perhaps telling, whether or not they strive towards elceting a more conservative or a more liberal pope.

I think something like 80% of voting cardinals were appointed by Francis, so it seems unlikely it’ll be a more Conservative Pope.

Basically stacking the Supreme Court.

 

[Nithavela]

I think something like 80% of voting cardinals were appointed by Francis, so it seems unlikely it’ll be a more Conservative Pope.

Basically stacking the Supreme Court.

Aren't they supposed to be inspired in their choice by god or something?

Also appears a bit premature to talk about Francis like he's dead already.

 

[RamiC]

Aren't they supposed to be inspired in their choice by god or something?

By God yes, not "something."

Also appears a bit premature to talk about Francis like he's dead already.

Thank you, that part looks rude to me too. I hope that is what you meant, I mean no offense to you if I read that wrong.

 

[Landon Caeli]

And when he dies soon, will we be seeing "Petros Romanus"?? Peter II

Yes, at which time the DaVinci Code will happen.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Yes, at which time the DaVinci Code will happen.

The last 3 actually fit the prophesy...

 

[Servus]

Also appears a bit premature to talk about Francis like he's dead already.

Thank you, that part looks rude to me too. I hope that is what you meant, I mean no offense to you if I read that wrong.

It's pretty common to talk about who will succeed someone while they're still alive. There was a lot of talk about who would succeed Obama for instance. During the scandals there was debate as to whether or not Charles would succeed Queen Elizabeth II.

 

[Servus]

The latest update: Pope Francis, in critical condition with a complicated lung infection, rested well during a peaceful night following a respiratory crisis and blood transfusions, the Vatican said Sunday.

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/23/g-s1-50362/pope-francis-rested-during-peaceful-night

 

[RamiC]

It's pretty common to talk about who will succeed someone while they're still alive. There was a lot of talk about who would succeed Obama for instance. During the scandals there was debate as to whether or not Charles would succeed Queen Elizabeth II.

Obama was not at the potential (but not certain) end of his life, he was at the certain end of his Presidency, in a country with limited term presidents.

The "scandals" involving speculation about King Charles III were long before Queen Elizabeth II was possibly near death, and in a country which lists the line to it's throne in perpetuity.

As far as I know, the Roman Catholic Church does not presume to consider anyone for Pope except the Pope, and on the matter of selecting one, speculation will get you nowhere. There will be no voting about it.

 

[Servus]

As far as I know, the Roman Catholic Church does not presume to consider anyone for Pope except the Pope, and on the matter of selecting one, speculation will get you nowhere. There will be no voting about it.

The cardinals vote for which one of them will be the next pope. Usually there's like around five cardinals who are major contenders. There's even a 2024 major motion picture about the process called Conclave.

When I googled "who will be..." "the next pope" was already filled in. So that means millions of people are currently searching that.

Who will be the next pope?

It's like you're getting indignant over something that doesn't call for such a reaction.

 

[RamiC]

The cardinals vote for which one of them will be the next pope. Usually there's like around five cardinals who are major contenders. There's even a 2024 major motion picture about the process called Conclave.

When I googled "who will be..." "the next pope" was already filled in. So that means millions of people are currently searching that.

Who will be the next pope?

It's like you're getting indignant over something that doesn't call for such a reaction.

Yes

 

[RileyG]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pope-francis-will-not-lead-sunday-prayers-second-week-running-vatican-says-2025-02-22/

God bless him

 

[RileyG]

Aren't they supposed to be inspired in their choice by god or something?

Also appears a bit premature to talk about Francis like he's dead already.

By God, yes.

 

[JSRG]

And when he dies soon, will we be seeing "Petros Romanus"?? Peter II

I'm assuming this is in reference to the so-called "Prophecy of St. Malachy", a prophecy allegedly by the 12th-century St. Malachy regarding the next 112 popes. For each pope, a short and brief description of 2-4 words is given, and for the last one, "Peter the Roman" (Petrus Romanus) it tells us:

"Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations, and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people. The End."

If the prophecy is right, then we won't be seeing Peter the Roman after Francis, because Francis is "Peter the Roman" by the count. Indeed, should Francis die without the above things happening, it would seem to demonstrate the prophecy was wrong.

But there was little reason to put any credence into this prophecy anyway. Although Malachy lived in the 12th century, this prophecy was first "discovered" in the in the late 16th century. That doesn't by itself make it false--various documents get lost and then found later--but the problem is that while all of the descriptions of the popes for prior to its discovery fit perfectly, immediately afterwards the attempts to link them up to the actual popes become significantly more forced. This is exactly what one would expect if this was manufactured: It's easy to "predict" things when referring to the past, but not so easy to predict things in the future. It is believed that it was concocted in order to grant credence to Girolamo Simoncelli in the next papal conclave (as the prediction for the next pope was "From the old city" which fits him perfectly, but you have to stretch things to fit the actual next pope).

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I'm assuming this is in reference to the so-called "Prophecy of St. Malachy", a prophecy allegedly by the 12th-century St. Malachy regarding the next 112 popes. For each pope, a short and brief description of 2-4 words is given, and for the last one, "Peter the Roman" (Petrus Romanus) it tells us:

"Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations, and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people. The End."

If the prophecy is right, then we won't be seeing Peter the Roman after Francis, because Francis is "Peter the Roman" by the count. Indeed, should Francis die without the above things happening, it would seem to demonstrate the prophecy was wrong.

But there was little reason to put any credence into this prophecy anyway. Although Malachy lived in the 12th century, this prophecy was first "discovered" in the in the late 16th century. That doesn't by itself make it false--various documents get lost and then found later--but the problem is that while all of the descriptions of the popes for prior to its discovery fit perfectly, immediately afterwards the attempts to link them up to the actual popes become significantly more forced. This is exactly what one would expect if this was manufactured: It's easy to "predict" things when referring to the past, but not so easy to predict things in the future. It is believed that it was concocted in order to grant credence to Girolamo Simoncelli in the next papal conclave (as the prediction for the next pope was "From the old city" which fits him perfectly, but you have to stretch things to fit the actual next pope).

Yes. But there may have been a place holder so the next pope would be the last...I guess we shall see...

 

[durangodawood]

....But there was little reason to put any credence into this prophecy anyway. Although Malachy lived in the 12th century, this prophecy was first "discovered" in the in the late 16th century. That doesn't by itself make it false--various documents get lost and then found later--but the problem is that while all of the descriptions of the popes for prior to its discovery fit perfectly, immediately afterwards the attempts to link them up to the actual popes become significantly more forced....

Isnt there something kind of "evil" about foisting a great falsehood upon the church? Who benefits from lies and misdirection?

 

[RileyG]

Isnt there something kind of "evil" about foisting a great falsehood upon the church? Who benefits from lies and misdirection?

No one. People can make documents and so called prophecies up. Happens all the time.