"Poorly" designed eye can be used to test quantum mechanics

[Jack Slatts]

If gravity did not exist as you say then you could use that God after some time made gravity as a thing for fine-tuning the universe .

"The earth without form and void " then fine tuned for life .

You could use God, or any magic, to explain everything and anything. That is why it explains nothing.

Could you please answer my initial questions now?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

sidenote for fun research: the microscope (world's best optical one) is making a come-back (so to speak) and a few have been made (apparently).
It was forbidden for what, almost a century or longer ? (I don't remember),
because it was too good. The amazing detail in cells, etc, that could be seen exposed a lot of the deceptive medicine motives and goals at the time it was forbidden , and if it becomes available again to doctors and to scientists, it will undo most of the last 100 years profit progress (money mongering). Personally, I think and believe it much more likely that Jesus will return first to set things straight, because the world has an overall direction of not being able to do that (not being able to do what is good and right and true).

..........BAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAhAhahahahahahahahahahahaha! <cough>

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

The same reason that health and science professionals who don't care for money at all, just an honest days wage that is, are silenced.
Imagine you could look into the world of germs and disprove most of today's germ theory that multi-billion dollar corporations depend on.
They rely on that people cannot see the truth of what they claim, to make their billions of dollars. Once people get "inside" info, like the whistle-blowers in any industry, the lies are exposed - brought out into the light for all to see the motives and the means being used - like most recently raising the price for 'needed' epi-pens astronomically just because they were the only supplier (a new owner of the company - widely exposed in the news across the country) ....
Well, while you and I might have to settle for hearing the truth, as they are so rare, others are able to see it, through a rife or rife-design microscope.
They were banned (probably confiscated and destroyed or put under lock and key) for a long time because it would have exposed what the corporations were doing as false advertising and fake science (made up test results, "tweeked" ? at least, to produce the needed results to charge huge amounts of money (extortion? , maybe) from people who thought they had no other choice) ....

HAAAAAHAHAHAHAhahahahaha! Oh No! You're a Conspiracy Theorist??! HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Where have you seen Anywhere that there's a conspiracy to hide medical truths from the masses? You can't be Serious! This is too much!

 

[Chinchilla]

You could use God, or any magic, to explain everything and anything. That is why it explains nothing.

Could you please answer my initial questions now?

I did just like you did , if you don't need gravity then I don't need it either to explain stars or can you quote it again if that was different question ?

 

[Jack Slatts]

I did just like you did , if you don't need gravity

Chinchilla, I never claimed to be an expert in any of this but I will do my best to explain what I understand.

You misunderstood what I wrote. I said they (meaning scientists) do not know if gravity existed at the beginning of the expansion. The physical laws may have been completely different for the first fraction of second of the expansion

then I don't need it either to explain stars

I never ask you to explain stars.

I have now answered two sets of your questions completely and to the best of my ability. I would really appreciate it if you could now answer the first set of questions I asked as a common courtesy.

 

[Chinchilla]

You misunderstood what I wrote. I said they (meaning scientists) do not know if gravity existed at the beginning of the expansion

If it did not then why it started to exist . Scientist say gravity is product of mass . How can you have universe packed into one single dot without gravity what is squzing the atoms together into one dot .

I have now answered two sets of your questions completely and to the best of my ability. I would really appreciate it if you could now answer the first set of questions I asked as a common courtesy.

Quote then or show me post I lost them .

 

[Jack Slatts]

If it did not then why it started to exist .

I don't know.

Scientist say gravity is product of mass . How can you have universe packed into one single dot without gravity what is squzing the atoms together into one dot .

As I said earlier, scientists aren't sure gravity existed at that point.

Quote then or show me post I lost them .

Sure. Here it is (from post #156)

The above quote is definitely a claim invented by Kent Hovind (You don't "need" 20 stars to make one.). Now that Kent Hovind can no longer use a Gish Gallop because anyone can stop the video and evaluate his claims one by one, he has been thoroughly debunked, statement by statement, by numerous people. Probably the best is done by Logicked. Have you watched any of Logicked (or anyone else's) debunk videos? If so, why did you not believe the debunking?

 

[Chinchilla]

I don't know.

So if you don't know why not account it to a designer . Even wrong answer is worst than no answer at all .
You probably don't care what Bible says about it but there is no middle ground or being innocent . Even in real world if you don't know a law but break it you will be punished according to the law .
Bible says people are without excuse and they know that Yah exists but surpress the knowledge due to thier love for sin .

As I said earlier, scientists aren't sure gravity existed at that point.

If it did not then accoring to for example Stephan Hawking universe can not exist .

I'm not going to sit through somebody's 100 videos to find one you would need to give me title of the video . Moreover I don't agree for Big Bang like Kent Hovind he is wrong not only on that but on other theologicall subjects .
I'm just simply assuming your world view ( Big Bang ) and showing you that it is inconsistent and contradicting itself .

For me Yah created heaven and earth in 6 days and on 7th he rested .

 

[Jack Slatts]

So if you don't know why not account it to a designer . Even wrong answer is worst than no answer at all .

Actually, this is completely backwards. If you pretend you know the answer when you don't you end the need to find out what is really happening.

Do you think mankind would be in a better position if we still believed Zeus made lightning, and Ra made the sun rise? Or do you think mankind is in a better position knowing that the earth is a sphere that spins, and that lightning is the discharge of electricity?

If it did not then accoring to for example Stephan Hawking universe can not exist .

I'm nearly 100% sure that Hawking said no such thing. Please provide a citation.

I'm not going to sit through somebody's 100 videos to find one you would need to give me title of the video .

Fair enough. But your next sentence indicates that you don't believe Hovind anyways, so I won't bother giving title. If you want one, just say and I'll post it.

Moreover I don't agree for Big Bang like Kent Hovind he is wrong not only on that but on other theologicall subjects .

I'm just simply assuming your world view ( Big Bang ) and showing you that it is inconsistent and contradicting itself .

The Big Bang is not "my world view". It is the best theory science has come up with, and has demonstrated great power at making predictions.

For me Yah created heaven and earth in 6 days and on 7th he rested .

Yes, I gathered that. The bible also says the earth is flat, that the stars are lights stuck in a crystalline dome (the firmament). Do you also believe these things? If not, why not?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

If it did not then why it started to exist . Scientist say gravity is product of mass . How can you have universe packed into one single dot without gravity what is squzing the atoms together into one dot .

As I said earlier, scientists aren't sure gravity existed at that point.

If it did not then accoring to for example Stephan Hawking universe can not exist .

The universe was pure energy & plasma to start out - so there was no mass for gravity to act upon, even if gravity were present from the outset. I think the universe hadn't cooled down enough until around a second or so after the expansion started when hadrons could form (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_universe#Very_early_universe ) at the hadron epoch.

 

[Chinchilla]

The universe was pure energy & plasma to start ou

How can you get beginning from eternal energy and plasma ?
What is energy ?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

How can you get beginning from eternal energy and plasma ?

I don't know?

What is energy ?

Heat, radiation, etc. <== this is my layperson understanding, so I'll likely be wrong...

 

[Chinchilla]

I don't know?

So why do you assume that energy and plasma were there if you don't know . That's faith .

Heat, radiation, etc. <== this is my layperson understanding, so I'll likely be wrong...

How can you have heat and radiation of particles if all matter was in one single dot and there was no space nor time to radiate heat or there was no other particles to transfer heat from one to another ?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

So why do you assume that energy and plasma were there if you don't know . That's faith .

Because of all the evidence that says there was, no faith required.

How can you have heat and radiation of particles if all matter was in one single dot and there was no space nor time to radiate heat or there was no other particles to transfer heat from one to another ?

There was no matter, just energy packed inside whatever pinpoint the universe was back then. That's what we see when we measure the CMB, and that CMB is what we predicted with the same model that tells us what the initial universe looked like. We've even recreated these initial states of the universe at an atomic scale with the Large Hadron Collider and confirmed other aspects of the model that predicts these early universe conditions.