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Polystrate Tree Fossils

truthteller said:
"..very long times..." Henh. I can measure the erosion of a (small) hillside during a dry decade and pronounce that it would have taken 34 million years to carve out the valley below. Along comes a very very very big rain, it messes up the calculation. What's so complicated about this that actual grown scientists ridicule it? Charles Darwin's mentor: "The present is key to the past". So they come up with spontaneous beneficial DNA generation in place of spontaneous generation. Duh. They forget the hidden implicit assumption clause: "...as long as the past works according to the assumptions we make."

Do you have any reasons why the laws of physics would be different in the past?
 
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LorentzHA said:
Then why is it still a theory if it has been demolished?
Because Godless people like to cling to their false hopes.

Matthew 11:25
At that time Jesus answered and said, "I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.

Our sunday school students have no problem to understand. But people with advanced degees can not seem to understand. I guess as Jesus said, the Father has hidden it from them.
 
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JohnR7 said:
We are not talking about sand bar deposits we are talking about Kettles coal mines near Cooksville, Tn.

Funny, they look like sand bars to me. Do you have a clue as to what these sand deposits are? Or are you just making offhand statements about the flood, etc.?
 
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The laws of physics were not dif in the past but the earth itself was very diff; they know for sure oxygen levels were at least 50% higher fro mtrapped air in amber . By the way this 50 pus % increase in oxygen would skew the radiometric dating method as it affects crbon & other isotope decay rates.
 
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obediah001 said:
You see I am right you will not address the Mt St Hellens volcano event in any form! Amazing ut understandable as it can not be defended in any way in the Evil-outioary philosophy! case closed I guess.

Sounds like you are a disciple of Steve Austin, ... er Stuart Nevins, or whoever he is these days. Do you realize that you have been lied to? Austin says that MSH convinced him of the flood and changed his evil ways of believing in old ages. However, Nevins had been writing YEC tracts for years before MSH. Guess what... they are the same person. How does it feel being taken for a fool?

Back to real data. What is your point about MSH? THere are many that show the usefulness of uniformitarianism. Could you pick one and we can discuss it?
 
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obediah001 said:
The laws of physics were not dif in the past but the earth itself was very diff; they know for sure oxygen levels were at least 50% higher fro mtrapped air in amber . By the way this 50 pus % increase in oxygen would skew the radiometric dating method as it affects crbon & other isotope decay rates.

And you have evidence to support this assertion? If not you are just blowing smoke.
 
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JohnR7 said:
Because Godless people like to cling to their false hopes.

Or maybe.. I know this is a wild thought... it holds up to evidence? :scratch:

Matthew 11:25
At that time Jesus answered and said, "I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.

Our sunday school students have no problem to understand.

Those are children. They will believe anything adults will tell them.

But people with advanced degees can not seem to understand.

The reason why we 'don't understand' is because your conversion techniques will not work on us. You may be able to tell a child "Jesus loves you," and have them believe you, but it's going to take a lot more to convince us. One of the key characteristics I tend to atribute to mature adults is the ability to filter fact from fiction.
 
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obediah001 said:
I like Hovind not sure who Austin is? Mt St helens is evidence of creation in every way as all the items from poly strata treess to strata itself which Evil-outionists claim took bilions of years there took oplace in literally minutes! Evil-oution theory can not top that!

O, you are wasting our time. Give us an example of MSH 'demolishing evolution' and we can discuss it (probably later). Otherwise you are simply playing a propadanda game. You have been given explanations of polystrate trees, address those and stop repeating your mantra.
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The laws of physics were not dif in the past but the earth itself was very diff; they know for sure oxygen levels were at least 50% higher fro mtrapped air in amber . By the way this 50 pus % increase in oxygen would skew the radiometric dating method as it affects crbon & other isotope decay rates.

RAVING LUNACY! I'm sorry, but this is nuts. Oxygen bonds easier then other molecules, so an excess of oxygen is expected. Not to mention that if oxygen hits 27% in the atmosphere it would ignite a global firestorm as every tree on earth became flamible. Not to mention that no CHEMICAL process can effect a NUCLEAR process, meaning that Uranium in Uraniumdioxide degrades at the same rate as the pure stuff, which degrades at the same rate as the stuff bound up in rocks.
 
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obediah001 said:
Hardly. I think you not know what U speak of & are just trying to avoid the Truth in favor of your Evil-oution thoery.

Look man, it was funny, but stop pretending. You're not fooling any of us.
 
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obediah001 said:
U are trying to complicate a very simple issue. YEC's have it right & the earth itself is our evidence. All you Evil-outionists have is theory.
Evolutionists have it right, and the earth itself is evidence. All you creationists have is a lot of rhetoric.
 
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JohnR7 said:
Because Godless people like to cling to their false hopes..

So people that study things with evidence are, "Godless". Don't yo uthink any scientist would like to know for sure that there is a God?


Our sunday school students have no problem to understand

In Sunday school? Of course, they are children. You look at them and say, "Do you understand?" What are they going to say, NO??


But people with advanced degees can not seem to understand. I guess as Jesus said, the Father has hidden it from them.

That was cruel of him to "hide" it from us, why would he do that John?
John have you ever found it odd how we, with "advanced degrees" as you say just do not seem to "understand"? Now stop and think about that John.
 
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That is the point of Evil-outioary (so called) Science, to deny the existance of God. they constantly repeat the refrain that God is outsidethe realm of science (testability etc.) therefore He is not a concern of science. Thayt is a buch of huey. Creationists love scientific evidences cause they bolster our positions it is the theories of Evil-oution which we do not care for cause they are unsupported by anything but theory & atheistic ideology.
 
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