Poll: preservation of Noah's Ark

[OldWiseGuy]

Also there is reference to the Flood in the gospels (by Jesus) and one of the epistles of Peter.

I suppose it is possible that Jesus did not actually believe in the Flood as history but was merely referencing something from Jewish mythological tradition as an American might reference the story of George Washington chopping down a cherry tree while knowing it to be only a story.

Another possibility that appeals to me is to allow for the possibility that Jesus was just as mistaken about many things as other people in his culture. Maybe what made Jesus divine was his instincts and likes and dislikes. Jesus the human may have had identical likes and dislikes as God while being a completely ordinary human in all other ways. But the will of Jesus was identical to the will of God. If Jesus the human could have known all that God knew then his wishes would have been identical to God's wishes in all circumstances. However, Jesus the human didn't know everything that God knew, because he was a human, so he submitted and trusted in God's will like any other human should. I like this idea, because it explains how Jesus could be human and divine simultaneously.

Jesus would have known about the flood, being filled with the Holy Spirit (John 3:34). He spoke of the flood as a real event, as it was written. He likely witnessed it firsthand.

 

[dlamberth]

He likely witnessed it firsthand.

This is confusing to me. Jesus was born about 2000 years ago, long after the supposed myth Biblical flood would have taken place.

 

[cloudyday2]

If it were just a myth and Christ was mistaken, I wonder the odds that it would be recorded it came to rest on the 17th of Nisan, the same day as the resurrection.

I think it becomes a statistical improbability when you consider the name Noah in the genealogy of Genesis 5 we've all become familiar with, because it clearly links the name Noah with the rest that Christs death would bring:

The Gospel in Genesis: A Hidden Message – Chuck Missler – Koinonia House

I haven't read the link, but I have wondered why theologians often draw parallels between Jesus and Moses when it seems to me that there are far more parallels between Jesus and Noah. For example, with both Jesus and Noah the message was "repent because this age is coming to an end" (paraphrased). Whereas with Moses the message was "follow me to freedom and the promised land". Obviously Jesus has some parallels with both figures, but the parallels to Noah are rarely mentioned.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

Unless it's frozen beneath a mile of ice somewhere. Maybe global warming will reveal it.

Beds of ice on a steep slope...wouldn't that have the devastating effect of a glacier?

 

[cloudyday2]

Jesus would have known about the flood, being filled with the Holy Spirit (John 3:34). He spoke of the flood as a real event, as it was written. He likely witnessed it firsthand.

The problem with this model of Jesus is that he loses his humanity. To err is human. If Jesus had memories from before Creation and had omniscience and so forth then he merely appeared to be a human. It seems to me that Jesus could only know what a human in his circumstances could know, and he needed to be mistaken sometimes, and he needed to catch colds, etc. Otherwise Jesus becomes only God pretending to be a human.

Of course the gospels sometimes have Jesus acting as though he personally has divine powers, so those stories are a problem for my idea about the humanity of Jesus.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Beds of ice on a steep slope...wouldn't that have the devastating effect of a glacier?

I'm sure there are high mountain valleys not effected by glaciers.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The problem with this model of Jesus is that he loses his humanity. To err is human. If Jesus had memories from before Creation and had omniscience and so forth then he merely appeared to be a human. It seems to me that Jesus could only know what a human in his circumstances could know, and he needed to be mistaken sometimes, and he needed to catch colds, etc. Otherwise Jesus becomes only God pretending to be a human.

Of course the gospels sometimes have Jesus acting as though he personally has divine powers, so those stories are a problem for my idea about the humanity of Jesus.

Before he came in the flesh he was a spirit being. Many believe he was the God of the old testament, so he would have actually brought the flood about.

 

[Robban]

If it were just a myth and Christ was mistaken, I wonder the odds that it would be recorded it came to rest on the 17th of Nisan, the same day as the resurrection.

I think it becomes a statistical improbability when you consider the name Noah in the genealogy of Genesis 5 we've all become familiar with, because it clearly links the name Noah with the rest that Christs death would bring:

The Gospel in Genesis: A Hidden Message – Chuck Missler – Koinonia House

Pretty cool, I was born Nissan 17 5702.