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what do you do with the verse I gave you ? besides ignore it.What do you do with John 3:15,16; 11:25; Actss 10:43; 1 John 5:1?
Dispy said:Could those of Israel have been saved by NOT doing the deeds/works of the Law? If not, What were they to put their FAITH in? Are believers today, members of the Church, the Body of Christ, required to do the deeds/works of the Law, even if done in FAITH.
Ben johnson said:They stumbled over the very stumbling-stone --- that is Jesus. By refusing to receive Jesus-the-Messiah, they forsook the New Covenant of Grace, and clung to "Law" (works). Today, we are not apart from "Law" --- but in the Old Covenant, they obeyed the Law to be saved; we practice righteousness because we ARE saved. Jesus said, "I came not to ABOLISH the Law, but to FULFILL it."
Israel, as a nation, did not recognize Jesus as their Messiah. That (HE) was national Israel's stumpling block. Jesus and His disciples NEVER preached "the gospel of the Grace of God." Thos of Israel that did recognize Jesus as the Messaiah still kept and practised the Law. So, NOW ANSWER MY ABOVE QUESTION.
Dispy said:Read Gal. 3:1-5 in context. Paul is writing to believers. Nowhere does it indicate that they lost their salvation. If they did, point it out to me.
Ben johnson said:In 4:9, they were "known by God; but turned BACK to weak/worthless things" (turned away from God). In 5:7 they were running well, but were HINDERED from obeying the truth --- they no longer obeyed the truth. 5:4 says "apo-katargeo-SEVERED-from-Christ" (become-no-effect), and ekpipto-charis-FALLEN-from-grace.
The weak and beggarly elements that they desired again to be in bondage with were the deeds/works of the Law. These believers left the better things under Grace to return again to the Law, which put them in back inbondage of the Law. The foresook the liberties that they have in Christ. They did not lose their salvation.
Ben johnson said:Do you really assert that "turned away from God", "not obeying the truth", forsaking Jesus' Gospel of grace in lieu of LAW/WORKS salvation, "severed-from-Christ" and "FALLEN-FROM-GRACE", is still SAVED? If so, what would it have to say for you to accept "no longer saved"?
They did not turn away from God. They turned away from the liberty they had in Christ. Nowhere do I find that they were "severed-from-Christ." "FALLEN-FROM GRACE" (the liberty we have in Christ) yes.
There is nothing you can say to me that they were "no longer saved." If you can show me that they never trusted Christ as saviour, they I will agree that they were never saved. Once they were saved, they were sealed by the holy Spirit of promise until/unto the day of their redemption (Eph. 1:13,14).
Dispy said:Even though those Galatians were saved on the grounds by FAITH, they were still living as thought they were under the Law. This did not nulify their salvation.
Ben johnson said:Please see my previous statement; and please accept that Paul is conveying movement. "WERE running well", and "WERE obeying the truth", and "WERE begun in the Spirit", and "WERE known by God" --- conveys true salvation. But now they are turning BACK to Law and forsaking Christ.
I have. Now read my response to it.
Dispy said:What part of "Was not Abraham our fther justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar" (James 2:21) don't you understand? Would Abraham been justified by NOT offering up Isaac? You no doubt will not answer those questions either. You'll just make a comment as usual.
Ben johnson said:Why the disrespect, Dispy? James reflects Paul, like in Philip2:12-13: "Therefore WORK out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is GOD who is at work IN you, both to will and to work according to His good purpose."
We do good works, not to be saved, but because we are. Through faith, He works in and through us.
Make sense?
NO disrespect was shown. I asked you a direct question which you failed to answer. You are trying to explain Peters statment, by what Paul said. I don't buy that.
Philippians 2:12 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my present only, but now much more in my absence, work out you won salvation with fear and terembling.
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."
Just as a farmer has land, he must "work" the land for it to be productive. There are certian labors he must do to produce a good harvest. We as Christians have an obligation to "work out our salvation" by doing what is expected of a Christian to be productive in his/her Christian walk. We must rely on God to aid us in our Christian walk.
What you have posted to me does not "Make sense." It is pure wrongly dividing the Word of truth.
They stumbled over the very stumbling-stone --- that is Jesus. By refusing to receive Jesus-the-Messiah, they forsook the New Covenant of Grace, and clung to "Law" (works). Today, we are not apart from "Law" --- but in the Old Covenant, they obeyed the Law to be saved; we practice righteousness because we ARE saved. Jesus said, "I came not to ABOLISH the Law, but to FULFILL it."
In 4:9, they were "known by God; but turned BACK to weak/worthless things" (turned away from God). In 5:7 they were running well, but were HINDERED from obeying the truth --- they no longer obeyed the truth. 5:4 says "apo-katargeo-SEVERED-from-Christ" (become-no-effect), and ekpipto-charis-FALLEN-from-grace.
Do you really assert that "turned away from God", "not obeying the truth", forsaking Jesus' Gospel of grace in lieu of LAW/WORKS salvation, "severed-from-Christ" and "FALLEN-FROM-GRACE", is still SAVED? If so, what would it have to say for you to accept "no longer saved"?
Please see my previous statement; and please accept that Paul is conveying movement. "WERE running well", and "WERE obeying the truth", and "WERE begun in the Spirit", and "WERE known by God" --- conveys true salvation. But now they are turning BACK to Law and forsaking Christ.
Why the disrespect, Dispy? James reflects Paul, like in Philip2:12-13: "Therefore WORK out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is GOD who is at work IN you, both to will and to work according to His good purpose."
We do good works, not to be saved, but because we are. Through faith, He works in and through us.
Make sense?
Hi, "Mattlock". This post is also written to you.
dl moody was a heretic..I like D.L. Moody's example:
The great evangelist D. L. Moody illustrated this point by quoting an old former slave woman in the South following the Civil War. Being a former slave, she was confused about her status and asked: Now is I free, or been I not? When I go to my old master he says I aint free, and when I go to my own people they say I is, and I dont know whether Im free or not. Some people told me that Abraham Lincoln signed a proclamation, but master says he didnt; he didnt have any right to. Many Christians are confused on the same point. Jesus Christ has given them an Emancipation Proclamation, but their old master tells them they are still slaves to a legal relationship with God. They live in bondage because their old master has deceived them.
Was she still free? Sure, even if she went back to her old master and placed herself back into bondage, she was still legally free. I feel it is much the same with the church in Galatia. They were saved, but they put themselves back into bondage to the law. This in no way negates their legal standing before God, just their liberty in Christ.
Peace
I didn't say I agreed with everything he said, I said I liked the way he phrased this one example. I also like some of the the books that Tom Clancy wrote, it doesn't mean I am going to base my theology on it. Good grief!dl moody was a heretic..
Amen to that!Anyone believing one can loose their salvation is not a true believer and is trusting in themselves..
Jesus sheep will never perish..
jn 10:
28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
We obey law today, because we are saved; they obeyed Law under the Old Covenant, to be saved.Dispy said:Could those of Israel have been saved by NOT doing the deeds/works of the Law? If not, What were they to put their FAITH in? Are believers today, members of the Church, the Body of Christ, required to do the deeds/works of the Law, even if done in FAITH.
And as Jesus plainly said, "If God were your Father, then you would love Me; for I have come from the Father." Jn8:42Israel, as a nation, did not recognize Jesus as their Messiah. That (HE) was national Israel's stumpling block.
There is salvation in no one else, but Jesus; by rejecting the Gospel of Grace, they were rejecting God Himself.Jesus and His disciples NEVER preached "the gospel of the Grace of God." Those of Israel that did recognize Jesus as the Messaiah still kept and practised the Law. So, NOW ANSWER MY ABOVE QUESTION.
They turned away from God and back towards "works-salvation"; they forsook Christ.The weak and beggarly elements that they desired again to be in bondage with were the deeds/works of the Law. These believers left the better things under Grace to return again to the Law, which put them in back inbondage of the Law. The foresook the liberties that they have in Christ. They did not lose their salvation.
Verse 5:4 clearly says "severed/become-no-effect". Separated in other words.They did not turn away from God. They turned away from the liberty they had in Christ. Nowhere do I find that they were "severed-from-Christ."
Please analyze exactly what it is to be "fallen-from-liberty-in-Christ"."FALLEN-FROM GRACE" (the liberty we have in Christ) yes.
By turning back to works, they were 100% not-trusting-Christ.There is nothing you can say to me that they were "no longer saved." If you can show me that they never trusted Christ as saviour, they I will agree that they were never saved.
Can we discuss the prospect of the Spirit being grieved, insulted, quenched? Will the Spirit in such cases, still abide?Once they were saved, they were sealed by the holy Spirit of promise until/unto the day of their redemption (Eph. 1:13,14).
Then why did Christ die on the Cross, to begin a New Covenant? The old one is still capable of saving, right?Even though those Galatians were saved on the grounds by FAITH, they were still living as thought they were under the Law. This did not nulify their salvation.
Peter and Paul (and James, Jude, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) all said the same things....What part of "Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar" (James 2:21) don't you understand? Would Abraham been justified by NOT offering up Isaac? You no doubt will not answer those questions either. You'll just make a comment as usual.
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Why the disrespect, Dispy? James reflects Paul, like in Philip2:12-13: "Therefore WORK out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is GOD who is at work IN you, both to will and to work according to His good purpose."
We do good works, not to be saved, but because we are. Through faith, He works in and through us.
Make sense?
NO disrespect was shown. I asked you a direct question which you failed to answer. You are trying to explain Peter's statment, by what Paul said. I don't buy that.
Yet if we do NOT have good deeds, can we still be saved?Philippians 2:12 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my present only, but now much more in my absence, work out you won salvation with fear and terembling.
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."
Just as a farmer has land, he must "work" the land for it to be productive. There are certian labors he must do to produce a good harvest. We as Christians have an obligation to "work out our salvation" by doing what is expected of a Christian to be productive in his/her Christian walk. We must rely on God to aid us in our Christian walk.
Perhaps we can work towards agreement.What you have posted to me does not "Make sense." It is pure wrongly dividing the Word of truth.
Jesus died on the Cross that whosoever believe not perish, but have eternal life. You're proposing that one can reject the Cross, but still be saved.Mattlock said:Was she still free? Sure, even if she went back to her old master and placed herself back into bondage, she was still legally free. I feel it is much the same with the church in Galatia. They were saved, but they put themselves back into bondage to the law. This in no way negates their legal standing before God, just their liberty in Christ.
That might be true, if not for James5;19-20.Beloved said:Anyone believing one can loose their salvation is not a true believer and is trusting in themselves..
True; as long as they remain "His sheep".Jesus' sheep will never perish..
Verse 10:9, states that "anyone who enters Jesus shall be saved, shall go in and out and find pasture" --- clearly this means "shall BECOME His sheep".jn 10:
28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
He teaches jesus christ loved and died for everyone, when He did not..Why do you say that?
Just curious...
Dispy said:Could those of Israel have been saved by NOT doing the deeds/works of the Law? If not, What were they to put their FAITH in? Are believers today, members of the Church, the Body of Christ, required to do the deeds/works of the Law, even if done in FAITH.
Ben johnson said:We obey law today, because we are saved; they obeyed Law under the Old Covenant, to be saved.
Dispy said:Israel, as a nation, did not recognize Jesus as their Messiah. That (HE) was national Israel's stumpling block.
Ben johnson said:And as Jesus plainly said, "If God were your Father, then you would love Me; for I have come from the Father." Jn8:42
Yes, but there were those of Israel that did believe that Jesus was their Messiah. Jesus was speaking to those you did not recognize them.
Ben johnson said:They stumbled over the very stumbling-stone --- that is Jesus. By refusing to receive Jesus-the-Messiah, they forsook the New Covenant of Grace, and clung to "Law" (works). Today, we are not apart from "Law" --- but in the Old Covenant, they obeyed the Law to be saved; we practice righteousness because we ARE saved. Jesus said, [COLOR=blue"I came not to ABOLISH the Law, but to FULFILL it."[/COLOR]
Dispy said:Jesus and His disciples NEVER preached "the gospel of the Grace of God." Those of Israel that did recognize Jesus as the Messaiah still kept and practised the Law. So, NOW ANSWER MY ABOVE QUESTION.
Ben johnson said:There is salvation in no one else, but Jesus; by rejecting the Gospel of Grace, they were rejecting God Himself.
WHEN DID JESUS OR HIS DISCIPELS EVER PREACH "THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD" that Paul preached??????????? So how could they reject it??????? PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dispy said:The weak and beggarly elements that they desired again to be in bondage with were the deeds/works of the Law. These believers left the better things under Grace to return again to the Law, which put them in back inbondage of the Law. The foresook the liberties that they have in Christ. They did not lose their salvation.
Ben johnson said:They turned away from God and back towards "works-salvation"; they forsook Christ.
Dispy said:They did not turn away from God. They turned away from the liberty they had in Christ. Nowhere do I find that they were "severed-from-Christ."
Ben johnson said:Verse 5:4 clearly says "severed/become-no-effect". Separated in other words.
Gal. 5:4 "Chris is become of no effect (i.e. of no experimental effece; the sen of liberty is lost. [Gal. d2:21, Col. 1:23])unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Dispy said:"FALLEN-FROM GRACE" (the liberty we have in Christ) yes.
Ben johnson said:Please analyze exactly what it is to be "fallen-from-liberty-in-Christ".
Salvation, is an indwelt fellowship with Christ; nothing less. They were "known by God, but turned back to weak/worthless things". You're espousing a kind of "middle-ground"; a "less-than-fully-encompassed-salvation". While I see salvation as "all, or nothing"...
"Fallen-from-liberty-in-Christ" to going back to observing the Law requirements. The moment one places their trust in Christ for their salvation, that one is securly sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise. There is no "middle-ground" of salvation.
The moment one places thier FAITH ALONE in the Cross work of Christ for their salvation, that one receives all of the Holy Spirit that that one will ever get.
Dispy said:There is nothing you can say to me that they were "no longer saved." If you can show me that they never trusted Christ as saviour, they I will agree that they were never saved.
Ben johnson said:By turning back to works, they were 100% not-trusting-Christ.
I say again. THEIR SALVATION IS SECURE, but their doctrine is wrong. My salvation does not depend upon my doctrine being 100% correct. It is based upon my relationship with Christ. If my doctrine is not correct, it may/or may not effect my Christian walk; which could possibly effect my rewards in heaven.
Dispy said:Once they were saved, they were sealed by the holy Spirit of promise until/unto the day of their redemption (Eph. 1:13,14).
Ben johnson said:Can we discuss the prospect of the Spirit being grieved, insulted, quenched? Will the Spirit in such cases, still abide?
Yes, it is very very possible that a believer can grieve, insult and quench the Spirit. Yes, the Spirit will still abide in the believer. It is the Holy Spirit of promise that seals us unto/until the day of our salvation.
Dispy said:Even though those Galatians were saved on the grounds by FAITH, they were still living as thought they were under the Law. This did not nulify their salvation.
Ben johnson said:Then why did Christ die on the Cross, to begin a New Covenant? The old one is still capable of saving, right?
The New Covenant is with the house of Israel, and the house of Judah. NOT with the Church, the Body of Christ. I am not a Jew or spiritual Jew.
Dispy said:What part of "Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar" (James 2:21) don't you understand? Would Abraham been justified by NOT offering up Isaac? You no doubt will not answer those questions either. You'll just make a comment as usual.
Ben johnson said:Why the disrespect, Dispy? James reflects Paul, like in Philip2:12-13: "Therefore WORK out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is GOD who is at work IN you, both to will and to work according to His good purpose."
We do good works, not to be saved, but because we are. Through faith, He works in and through us.
Make sense?
Dispy said:NO disrespect was shown. I asked you a direct question which you failed to answer. You are trying to explain Peter's statment, by what Paul said. I don't buy that.
Ben johnson said:Peter and Paul (and James, Jude, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) all said the same things....
If what you say is true, then SHOW ME where James, Jude, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John ever preached "the gospel of the Grace of God," i.e."...the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began" (Romans 16:25), prior to Paul's conversion. Also, SHOW ME where Paul ever preached "the gospel of the kingdom." James, Jude, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John spoke of an earthly kingdom for believers. Paul speaks of a heavenly home for members of the Body of Christ, and never promises members of the Body of Christ an earthly home.
Reconcile that for me if you will.
Dispy said:Philippians 2:12 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my present only, but now much more in my absence, work out you won salvation with fear and terembling.
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."
Just as a farmer has land, he must "work" the land for it to be productive. There are certian labors he must do to produce a good harvest. We as Christians have an obligation to "work out our salvation" by doing what is expected of a Christian to be productive in his/her Christian walk. We must rely on God to aid us in our Christian walk.
Ben johnson said:Yet if we do NOT have good deeds, can we still be saved?
YES!!!"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast, For we are His workmanshop, created in Christ Jesus UNTO good works, which God hat before ordained that we should walk in them". (Eph 2:8-10)
"NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE, BUT ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US, BY THE WASHING AND REGENERATION AND RENEWING OF THE HOLY GHOST" (Titus 3:5).
Dispy said:What you have posted to me does not "Make sense." It is pure wrongly dividing the Word of truth.
Ben johnson said:Perhaps we can work towards agreement.
It can be very easily done if you would rightly divide the Word of truth by reading/studying it in its proper context.
p.s. I like, and agree, D.L. Moody's example that Mattlock posted.
No cigar!! That doesn't the conditions God set down. A child should know that. That fact they were obstinate changed nothing, unless you believe God didn't mean what He said?
Scripture says "if we break ONE law, we are guilty of the WHOLE". The New Covenant is not about "keeping law"; no one here is asserting that, and I never have...Dispy said:No answer to my question, as per usual. Hey, there are 613 "Laws of Moses." Being you claim to be saved, (I will accept you ared) How many of those Laws do you keep? (REALLY DON'T EXPECT AN ANSWER FROM YOU, as you do not like to answer questions.)
True that; and He was rebuking them for refusing to believe. Best rebuke probably John5:29-47.Yes, but there were those of Israel that did believe that Jesus was their Messiah. Jesus was speaking to those you did not recognize them.
What do you think Jesus meant when He said "you must be born again"? That's the "Gospel of the grace of God", defined.WHEN DID JESUS OR HIS DISCIPELS EVER PREACH "THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD" that Paul preached??????????? So how could they reject it??????? PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They forsook Christ, but did not lose salvation.The weak and beggarly elements that they desired again to be in bondage with were the deeds/works of the Law. These believers left the better things under Grace to return again to the Law, which put them in back in bondage of the Law. They foresook the liberties that they have in Christ. They did not lose their salvation.
I see; by turning back to Law, they disregarded the CROSS. With respect, then why did Jesus bother?They did not turn away from God. They turned away from the liberty they had in Christ. Nowhere do I find that they were "severed-from-Christ."
I'm at a loss how to respond. We are saved by grace through faith; you perceive that one can be fallen from grace but still saved. How do I convince you that "saved-by-grace", cannot be "fallen-from-grace"?Gal. 5:4 "Christ is become of no effect (i.e. of no experimental effece; the sen (?) of liberty is lost. [Gal. d2:21, Col. 1:23])unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
"FALLEN-FROM GRACE" (the liberty we have in Christ) yes.
And what does that mean, "Dispy"? It means rejecting the Cross."Fallen-from-liberty-in-Christ" to going back to observing the Law requirements.
Wait --- that's exactly what you ARE proposing. A "middle-ground", that can exist "fallen-from-grace-but-SAVED".The moment one places their trust in Christ for their salvation, that one is securely sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise. There is no "middle-ground" of salvation.
True that; but if one CEASES to believe, he/she ceases to have the Holy Spirit.The moment one places thier FAITH ALONE in the Cross work of Christ for their salvation, that one receives all of the Holy Spirit that that one will ever get.
I think my position is well established...There is nothing you can say to me that they were "no longer saved." If you can show me that they never trusted Christ as saviour, they I will agree that they were never saved.
What kind of "relationship" is it, if we DENY the Cross and RETURN to "Law"?I say again. THEIR SALVATION IS SECURE, but their doctrine is wrong. My salvation does not depend upon my doctrine being 100% correct. It is based upon my relationship with Christ. If my doctrine is not correct, it may/or may not effect my Christian walk; which could possibly effect my rewards in heaven.
"Unto", not "until"; the language is quite clear.Once they were saved, they were sealed by the holy Spirit of promise until/unto the day of their redemption (Eph. 1:13,14).
By definition, "grieving/insulting/quenching" means "WALKING IN SIN". Which, if a person is still indwelt by the Holy Spirit, makes Him PARTICIPATOR in sin.Yes, it is very very possible that a believer can grieve, insult and quench the Spirit. Yes, the Spirit will still abide in the believer. It is the Holy Spirit of promise that seals us unto/until the day of our salvation.
You're proposing a position of "No-good-fruit-BUT-SAVED". This denies Jesus' statement in John15:2, "every branch IN ME that does not bear fruit, is removed."Just as a farmer has land, he must "work" the land for it to be productive. There are certian labors he must do to produce a good harvest. We as Christians have an obligation to "work out our salvation" by doing what is expected of a Christian to be productive in his/her Christian walk. We must rely on God to aid us in our Christian walk.
And if we do NOT walk in them, then we are not "in Christ". John15:2-6 says something more --- those who bear fruit, are in Christ; those who do NOT bear fruit, are removed --- "If anyone DOES NOT ABIDE, he is cast off as a dried branch ....and burned."YES!!!"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that no of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast, For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus UNTO good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. (Eph 2:8-10)Ben said:Yet if we do NOT have good deeds, can we still be saved?
Correct; but Jesus' principle in Matt7:18 cannot be denied --- "no good tree produces bad fruit"."NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE, BUT ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US, BY THE WASHING AND REGENERATION AND RENEWING OF THE HOLY GHOST" (Titus 3:5).[/b]
Tell me how I'm "not rightly dividing it". In this post especially, everything I've said is quite clear, and consistent; and supported by Scripture.It can be very easily done if you would rightly divide the Word of truth by reading/studying it in its proper context.
WHEN DID JESUS OR HIS DISCIPELS EVER PREACH "THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD" that Paul preached??????????? So how could they reject it??????? PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ben johnson said:Tell me how I'm "not rightly dividing it". In this post especially, everything I've said is quite clear, and consistent; and supported by Scripture.
Dispy said:WHEN DID JESUS OR HIS DISCIPLES EVER PREACH "THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD" that Paul preached??????????? So how could they reject it??????? PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus preached it with and by His Life. How else do you suppose Paul would know anything about the gospel of Grace that he could preach it???????? Go figger!
What did Jesus preach??? Answer: Matthew 4:17 "From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
What did Jesus command His disciples to preach? Answer: Matthew 10:5 "These twelve dJesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go reather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Did Paul ever preach "the kingdom of heaven at hand?" NO!!!
What did Paul preach? Answer: Romans 16:25 "Now to him that is of power to stablish lyou according to my gospel, and the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,"
2 Cor. 12:1 "...I will come to visions and revelation of the Lord."
Gal. 1:11 "But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached to me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."
Ephesians 3:2 "If ye have hard of the dispensastion of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made know unto me the mystery;(as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit."
When did Jesus and the 12 preach what Paul preached. Chapter and verse PLEASE.
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