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Poland to launch shorter working week pilot programme

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That's an interesting theory of work you have there. How many occupations put in that much physical work in a year?
IDK. Hopefully all of them.
 
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It's an interesting idea. A person doing physical labor would have much more time off than, say, an engineer.
Unless brainwork can also be calculated in kilojoules. I'm sure a ratio between physical, and mental work can be established so everyone is putting in equal effort.
 
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What does that have to do with it? In any case there are three countries in North America which have different immigration policies.
Related to filling gaps in vital industries with immigration.
 
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You don't believe in the power of AI..?
No. It will destroy things, but mostly those that make themselves dependent on it.
Losing hundreds of jobs? I don't think we should worry about "hundreds of jobs". Normal job creation/loss numbers are in the hundreds of thousands each month.
 
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Unless brainwork can also be calculated in kilojoules. I'm sure a ratio between physical, and mental work can be established so everyone is putting in equal effort.
Right. It's called the "commodification of labor" an important part of authoritarian capitalism--or "neoliberalism" as it is generally called. Other authoritarian systems have different names for it. Communists, for instance, call it "the Dictatorship of the Prolitariat" but it is much the same thing by any name.
 
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It's a new gilded age in the US. The minority group growing the fastest in the past ten years are billionaires. They have alot of money to play with, including investing in bug-out shelters and offshoring of assets and lifestyles. While it might look like they are planning for the worst with a kind of zeal, that might simply be a reflection of the fact that for them it's a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of buying a politician or an election, and they are just "hedging their bets".
 
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AI and technology will make shorter work weeks a necessity sooner than we think--if we want full employment.

Hopefully we will have a government that puts people before profits when this comes about. In the meantime, Poland will have given it a trial run.
 
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No. It will destroy things, but mostly those that make themselves dependent on it.

Losing hundreds of jobs? I don't think we should worry about "hundreds of jobs". Normal job creation/loss numbers are in the hundreds of thousands each month.
I'm just saying hundreds right off the top of my head. If I were to do a complete analysis using research, the number of jobs that could be replaced by automation and AI would probably start off in the thousands, and could lead up to tens or hundreds of thousands of actual jobs.
 
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No. It will destroy things, but mostly those that make themselves dependent on it.
I don't know how we can stop it. Especially considering we're fighting against a boogeyman, in that we don't have the right to dictate how corporations produce products or run their business. We only have philosophies and ideas on things we do or don't like - and that's not enough to create change in our favor.
 
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Actually, we do. Forming a business corporation is not a right, it's a privilege granted by the state with various conditions attached which may be modified by "we. the people." Take a look at Trump's Nippon Steel deal, for instance, where the government will have a seat on the board of directors.
 
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Yeah, but if you can force a company to have so many employees per bot, why can't you just as easily force a company to pay a bot-penalty fee, where people then start to recieve checks from the government, as compensation for a loss of jobs in general?

...What's the difference? It's government intervention either way.
 
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Those are only two of the possibilities. The first step has to be a return to free market captaiism and a de-commodification of the workforce.
 
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There is a whole lot of difference between hundreds of people losing their jobs and hundreds of thousands, but even that latter number is of the scale as monthly changes in total employment. Spread over the whole country and many years it is but blip.
 
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It should be good then, as something we won't need to worry about much, in the future. I'd be okay with that.
 
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I wonder how it’s going to work out?
 
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In the ideal world, hard, repetitive, boring work will be automated and humans can spend their time in creative, exploratory and similar jobs or hobbies.
I work in retail. The amount of people who say they don’t use self checkout because they “think it’s wrong” or “don’t work here” blow my mind.

Do they also have someone else pump their gas for them?

Cashiers are becoming obsolete.
 
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