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Discussion in 'Struggles by Non-Christians' started by SickOfItAll, Dec 23, 2007.

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  1. SickOfItAll

    SickOfItAll New Member

    "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you."

    I asked, but nothing was given.
    I sought, but did not find.
    I knocked, yet the door was not opened.

    Jesus hates me this I know, coz the Bible tells me so.
    God, I don't like you very much at all.

    That pretty much sums up how I feel about the whole God issue.
    I suppose being a socialphobic doesn't help much. I mean, I can't go to Church or anything (do e-

    churches count? Probably not, especially if was thinking of becoming a Catholic).
    Heck, I couldn't even be baptised...unless I tried to baptise myself.
    So I think my choices are:-
    1) Try *very* hard to ignore the whole God thing and just get on with what counts as my life.
    2) Try to 'think Christian' and 'act Christian', bearing in mind I am essentially on my own.

    Oh, and I've made about as much progress with other 'religions' as I have with Christianity.
    I feel like a bit like a lost sheep, except I'm no sheep. I think. I don't know what I am. I certainly don't think I'm much, if anything, of a human being. Perhaps I'm just an evolutionary mistake. Whatever I am, I am *very* messed up.
    And very angry.
    And very depressed.
    And very unwell.
    We teamed up with Faith Counseling. Can they help you today?
  2. RedTulipMom

    RedTulipMom Legend

    Jesus doesn't hate you!

    If you really want God in your life pray for him to show you the truth and mean it will all your heart. Ask Jesus to come into your heart and mean it will all your heart. He WILL answer, and he will come. He has been waiting for you. God loves you so much. I know you don't believe it right now, but just let Go and let God in. Sometimes it takes us coming to the end of ourself and being completely miserable to finally find God. He is there with open arms. Stop searching, stop intellectualizing, stop reading about doctrines, stop feeling sorry for yourself. Just let God in. It is true "Ask, seek, knock and the door WILL be open unto you!" I know this through experience. I will be praying for you.
  3. ContentInHim

    ContentInHim Guest

    I agree with RedTulipMoon's post.

    While I didn't "ask Jesus into my heart" and still don't know quite what that means, I did scream and cry out "God I can't take this anymore and you promised not to give us more than we can bear and I can't bear any more!" I didn't notice a change in myself right away but within 6 months I was a 180 degree different person. I was now repelled by my favorite personal sins - almost from the moment I uttered that prayer. I no longer cussed like a sailor. I was asking for forgiveness from those I had wronged. I was reading the Bible and believing what I was reading. When I was at a standstill, the Holy Spirit advised me where to turn next.

    It's not a magic formula. It's submitting to God's sovereignty and that's not an easy thing to do. It's repenting (meaning turning away from) sin. It's asking Jesus to forgive you of that sin and he's faithful to do so! It's finding new friends in some cases, though that takes more time. It wasn't my friends leading me astray - if anything I was leading them astray. btw, they are none too happy with having a born-again Christian for a friend now but fortunately they love me enough to tolerate me! :D

    Anyway, don't give up. If you sincerely desire to love and serve God, ask him for the faith to do so.
  4. ebia

    ebia Senior Contributor

    That triggered a response from one of the guests: "How fortunate the one who gets to eat dinner in God's kingdom!"
    Jesus followed up. "Yes. For there was once a man who threw a great dinner party and invited many. When it was time for dinner, he sent out his servant to the invited guests, saying, 'Come on in; the food's on the table.'
    "Then they all began to beg off, one after another making excuses. The first said, 'I bought a piece of property and need to look it over. Send my regrets.'
    "Another said, 'I just bought five teams of oxen, and I really need to check them out. Send my regrets.'
    "And yet another said, 'I just got married and need to get home to my wife.'
    "The servant went back and told the master what had happened. He was outraged and told the servant, 'Quickly, get out into the city streets and alleys. Collect all who look like they need a square meal, all the misfits and homeless and wretched you can lay your hands on, and bring them here.'
    "The servant reported back, 'Master, I did what you commanded-- and there's still room.'
    "The master said, 'Then go to the country roads. Whoever you find, drag them in. I want my house full! Let me tell you, not one of those originally invited is going to get so much as a bite at my dinner party.'"

  5. hlaltimus

    hlaltimus Senior Member

    Christianity works, but it works on terms or what we would call "conditions". This is true of the faith of Jesus Christ just as it is true of so many other pursuits: Who would ever fly an airplane without first submitting to the standard rules of flight? Or use a 240 volt arc welder while being a part of the circuit? (Don't try this now) Examples could be endless, our world is full of legitimate, profitable and satisfying pursuits that are all constructed around "terms of usage" and Christianity is no exception. Give the faith that is described in the Holy Bible a chance to work in your life, (if for no other reason,) to find out if all of these devotee's of Christ are altogether deluded or onto something that you have yet to experience. It's all there, free and accessible to you, but it's there on God's conditions and, (given He is an infinite and eternal Being,) any terms which He has set for us must also then be both reasonable and just, especially when you view the alternative of being fully prosecuted by Him who is both redeemer and judge. Don't let yourself get anywhere near to this later, direful fate.

    Seek this Being with all of your heart, but try doing things His way. This may conflict for the present with your human reasoning, but who is this Being which speaks galaxies into being by a mere spoken word? Try following those instructions which don't seem to make any sense to you right now...Things will work out alot better for you and you'll finish this life wondering why you never tried "The old paths" in the first place.
    It works.
  6. tapero

    tapero Legend Supporter

    Hi, As your post is more on how you feel and didn't explain somethings I hope it's okay as to my post, as you asked no questions.

    I don't know if you ever came to faith in Christ, you didn't say.

    Don't have to worry about baptism as we are baptised into Christ when we come to Christ.

    water baptism is not necessary to come to Christ as well as does not save us, only faith in Christ saves us.

    Being at home, there are sermons all over you can listen to if you wish to, and if you need some places let me know.

    Plenty are at home, I'm one, never to rarely out, dont' know anyone locally etc, but docs and such.

    And with the internet, is lots of resources so never feel that you have to go to church, overcome you social phobia to go out, etc.. God works in us, where we are no matter where we are.

    As to God not doing what you asked or is how you see it, is no different than occurs to Christians as well.

    As to seeking God and not finding him, you can either stop seeking or continue seeking.

    There is much more on this but without you describing things, just giving short things as come to mind.

    God would in no wise reject any who seek Him so be assured, He does not hate you. He does not hate anyone. His will is that all come to know Him.

    Every life is precious to God, so precious that God came as a man to die for us and paid the price of sin so that believing by faith in Christ, we may have forgiveness for sins, and a relationship with God.

    So, whatever your going through and I'm very sorry, as you say you are depressed and angry and not well.. whatever it is, know that God loves you more than you can dream or imagine.

    If you have a wrong undertanding of God you will always be disappointed. A right understanding comes by reading his word, but one must first be a believer in Christ really to gain a true and deep understanding of God.

    Not one of us truly understands and knows God for all He is (and we will spend eternity learning in heaven) but many know plenty enough (as is in the bible) that keep us, sustain us, and for who we live and would die because we know God is awesome and can't imagine ever being without Him. Which we will never be, as believers in Christ God is always with, and will never leave us or forsake us.

    So, hon, I don't know your sources, what you've been told or what you've heard, but there is help out there.

    You can write me anytime as well (via private message), and again if desire sermon sites, I know of several...

    and being at home, listening to sermons helps me a lot as I'm not at church either, and I go thru dry times of not listening to sermons, and no clue why as i am very blessed when I do listen..

    I do other things as well which keeps me in the bible, and have long distance friends to call as well who are Christians.

    You can tell God anything on your heart, just as you wrote this post and talk to Him and pour out your thoughts and feelings and ask God to help you should you desire His help.

    His help may not be what you want, but will be what you need, and that is in regard as to if you are a believer which you did not say you were or not.

    ((((big hugs))) and write anytime and hon i'm praying you feel better..

    you are of great worth and well loved..

    take care,
  7. OldChurchGuy

    OldChurchGuy Regular Member


    There is no doubt in my mind you are sincere. I would appreciate some clarification, though, to be sure I understand. Part of the post reads:
    I asked, but nothing was given.​

    I sought, but did not find.​

    I knocked, yet the door was not opened.​
    At the risk of sounding foolish, what was asked? What was sought? What door was knocked on?

    What does it mean to be "socialphobic"? This is a new term for me and I have no idea what it means.


  8. seashale76

    seashale76 Orthodox Christian and Unapologetic Iconodule

    Eastern Orthodox
    This will likely not be what you'll want to hear. Get off the internet. Take a huge break from it and be with people who care about you. Being depressed, you probably don't need to be truly alone. You might need alone time, but you still need to be around real people. The internet isn't a substitute for real life. Even if you are angry at God, etc. you still need help. Please go see a medical professional. They can help you if want the help.
  9. Aibrean

    Aibrean Honest. Maybe too Honest.

    I want to start off by saying that passage (Matthew 7:7-8) has long since been taken out of context. It doesn't necessarily mean coming to Christ for questions or help as it's long been pushed as.

    Read the whole thing in context:
    The context does not give it self what people make it out to be. They take the bottom verse and apply it to the one above.

    This is more exact:
    John 6:25
    It sounds like you are just confused right now and wondering since you haven't "heard" God, whether he really is there or not. The words of Jesus above are very powerful. You are wanting a sign that he is there I think...those people (this was the feeding of the 5000) had seen miracles and only listened because he had fed them. ("Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, you are looking for me, not because you saw miraculous signs but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.").

    The journey is not for "what you get out of it", then you are doing it for the wrong reasons. God loves a cheerful giver. Your attitude hardens your heart and it keeps you separated from any real hope or love. Come with open eyes, and open heart. All we need to do is receive the faith that we have been given by the grace of God. Doing the actions doesn't help either...I know because I did them before and felt nothing. You have to do the actions, want to do them, and do them for God. Your heart needs to be in the right place.

    Don't try the passages to put God to the test.

    What are you really looking for?
  10. WolvesChristian

    WolvesChristian Guest

    God loves you! And you don't have to go to church - you can fellowship here and in other sites on the Internet. The important thing is talking to Jesus. Just say "Hi!" He's there for you. :)
  11. seashale76

    seashale76 Orthodox Christian and Unapologetic Iconodule

    Eastern Orthodox
    <staff edit - removed quoted post>
    Which is exactly why the internet is a terrible place to deal with painful and emotional issues. You really CAN'T be sure you're reading people right. It is not and should not be a substitute for real life. Please take my earlier advice and consult a medical professional, regardless of how you're feeling about religion at the moment. We are strangers at the end of a screen and we aren't physically there to help you. I sincerely hope you begin to feel better and get past this trying period in your life.
  12. Annolennar

    Annolennar Exsiste Caritas Christi

    <staff edit- removed quoted post>
    I can't say anything that hasn't already been said, or very nearly said. But I'd just like to point out that this report thing isn't that big of a deal. All it is is someone informing the mods that the thread should be moved to a different subforum - it happens all the time in online discussion forums.

    I would add: please take seashale's advice. It really sounds like you would benefit from medical and/or psychological help, as its possible that you may have a very physical and very fixable condition such as clinical depression.

    Venting your frustrations via sarcasm on the internet may feel good for a moment, but it the long run it can't provide any real help, so find something that can (or preferably, several things that can).
  13. Adstar

    Adstar Well-Known Member

    The person reported your post not because it was offensive or wrong but that it might be better for it to be dealt with in another section.

    (Oh by the way i did not report your post)

    Moving your post to another section is not rejection of what you have given or a personal rejection of yourself.

    I have posted a PM to you and you replied and i was hopeing to continue our contact. Please if you see this message, change your settings back so i can send you my reply to your reply.

    (Oh and by the way this thread is still open :) )

    All Praise The Ancient Of Days
  14. SoFarSoGood

    SoFarSoGood New Member

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    Dear SickOfItAll, I think you have misunderstood the reasons for the reporting of your post. If you are as you say, 'unwell', the I think I may be able to understand your reaction. Sadly, you have deleted the very honest and moving words from your homepage, which I saw before I registered here. They gave so much of an insight into yourself. Please put them back again if you can.

    For those who were not able to read those words I can summarise. SickOfItAll used the analogy of the Eminem song 'Stan'. In the analogy, SickOfItAll was Stan and God was Eminem. Anyone familiar with the song should be able to see the frustration SickOfItAll feels in his relationship woth God. I'm sure all of us have felt similar frustrations many times.

    SickOfItAll, you must realise that God knows what is in your heart. In fact, He knows much better than you do. And God has provided you with the tools so that you may see what is in your heart. The primary tool is the Bible itself. I think that, when you say that Jesus hates you, you are perhaps acknowledging you present, sinful, state. Well let me and others tell you that we humans are ALL sinners. But Jesus does not hate us. In fact, Jesus is not capable of hate. He loves you more than you realise. He knows how much you hurt and He is there for you. If you have some mental health issues then I know how that can be a problem, as I have plenty of them myself (and the quality and accessablity of mental health care in the UK is, frankly, appaling. But's thats another story.). I understand how your words and actions may be misinterpreted by others. But you do not need to worry too much about others. Humans are imperfect and error prone. God, however, does understand. He will not misinterpret. He knows you are looking for Him and He has not, and will not, ignore you.

    SickOfItAll, you were not being sarcastic your reply (no matter what a few ignorant and insensitive people here may think). You were saying what you felt in your heart. Don't let those who have no exprience of people with mental health problems hurt you. They will get whats coming to them. In fact, we should pray for them to be more understanding and tolerant of those who may be less fortunate. You felt under personal attack. That is clearly not the case. I think that whoever reported you simply felt that your post was 'off-topic' for this particular forum. It was NOT a personal attack on you or anything you said. But I fully appreciate how you could have seen it that way.

    Please, SickOfItAll, don't go. Or, at least if you choose to stay away from this forum, please don't stay away from God. Remember, there are people here who will help you.

    We all love you dearly, SickOfItAll. We will all pray for you. You are in our hearts. Take care.
  15. Angel4Truth

    Angel4Truth Legend

    Thread has been moved from questions by non christians to struggles by non christians - please remember that in both questions by non christians and struggles by non christians forums that ONLY non christians may start threads and ONLY nicene agreeing christians may respond here. Thank you
  16. EmbracingHim

    EmbracingHim My foundation, my heart, our Rock, our Lord


    I am going to give you a secular saying I learned from college: As a man thinks, so he will become (Emerson).

    Emerson pondered on religion quite profusely and actually is one of the leaders of the Universal Unitarian religion (this is where all religions come together as one...in the belief that there is one God and He sees beyond the lack of human knowledge that we might hold and this includes denominational differences. It is a religion that says: We don't know much--but desire to meet and ponder each other's Spiritual beliefs basically). So fearful of judgement...they attend to form a community where love is not met with any particular instruction to us). Obviously, this is not a belief I hold as I believe and desire instruction in my life personally. I believe you too desire instruction and guidance from God.

    Your fear of social situations might be helped through a medical approach, but If possible I'd try this approach:

    Adopting a mindset that your life is 'truly' a blank canvas and you have full reign and decision in what you are, decide to be, perceive yourself as, etc.

    If you perceive yourself as a freak...then you will live out that in your mind (even though it is not true). There are many people with social phobias and there are support groups for overcoming this.

    As far as God hating you...is this a perception you desire to hold on to?

    If God hated you -- He would not lead you to a Christian website where you would receive only 'love' -- the 'love' that He desires for 'you.'

    Prayers are extended for the choices and beliefs you choose. They are truly your choice, but rest assured God wants you to be loved and for you to love 'you' as well. You are special as you have stated -- there is no flaw in this if you look at it his way. I thank God for special people. May you be blessed and in the Lord's guidance.

    Sandi :angel:
  17. AllTalkNoAction

    AllTalkNoAction Potentially Wonderful

    I am going to quote some scriptural sayings.

    Proverb:23:6: Eat thou not the bread of him that hath an evil eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats:
    :7: For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he:

    So, a rich man who thinks meanly is already a mean man.
    A poor man who thinks generously is already liberal and rich and blessed.

    Gideon was called "a mighty man of valour" before he had fought the battles . . he alreday had the thinking right.

    "Today" is the day of salvation, not tomorrow.

    "Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:
    Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.
    For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that. But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil."
    (James 4:13-16)
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